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Filing IFR flight Plan in VMC
MArk, thanks for the input ,, I did look at 61.3 but interpreted it
differently as IFR meaning IMC. So I guess the old guy was full of old crap... lol... THanks for the info on this one. Im almost done with my required items, hours, approaches, can even do ndb holds, radial holding, etc. The plane I rent has ADF and VOR (KX155) and DME and also has a Garmin 430 so Im learning both the old and new methods. I took my written and got a 96 on it.. so am glad to get that out of the way.. I should be ready for a check ride in Sept.. thanks for the help.. ron.. Mark Hansen wrote: I have a question for the group. Im working on my IFR ticket, and will be finished in about another 2-3 months, depending on how much I fly (Im renting. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] Thanks ron.. Ron, Have a look at FAR 61.3 (e): (e) Instrument rating. No person may act as pilot in command of a civil aircraft under IFR or in weather conditions less than the minimums prescribed for VFR flight unless that person holds: (1) The appropriate aircraft category, class, type (if required), and instrument rating on that person's pilot certificate for any airplane, helicopter, or powered-lift being flown; (2) An airline transport pilot certificate with the appropriate aircraft category, class, and type rating (if required) for the aircraft being flown; (3) For a glider, a pilot certificate with a glider category rating and an airplane instrument rating; or (4) For an airship, a commercial pilot certificate with a lighter-than-air category rating and airship class rating. Note that it says "under IFR *or* in IMC". There are also regs concerning your currency of flight experience. I'll let you look those up as a homework assignment :-) One thing you *can* do, however, is practice instrument approaches. I suspect this is what the "old guys" were talking about. Although not required, you should consider only doing this when you have a safety pilot, as it is not easy to twiddle with all the dials while still keeping your eyes outside the cockpit looking for other traffic. How are things going with your rating otherwise? Best Regards, -- Message posted via AviationKB.com http://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/ifr/200807/1 |
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Filing IFR flight Plan in VMC
Thanks everybody for the input on my question... ron..
Robert M. Gary wrote: On an IFR plan, you are expected to go THROUGH even the occasional cloud, which you can't do. I would have thought that until the FAA ruled that helo instrument students can file an IFR flight plan in a VFR only helicopter for the purpose of flight training as long as they stay VMC. Go figure. -Robert, CFII -- Message posted via AviationKB.com http://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/ifr/200807/1 |
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Filing IFR flight Plan in VMC
Mark Hansen wrote:
You do not have to be under an IFR clearance to practice approaches. In fact, some controllers will say "Practice Approach Approved" rather than the normal "Cleared for the approach" to make this point clear. That has nothing to do with it. |
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Filing IFR flight Plan in VMC
Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Jul 28, 4:17 pm, B A R R Y wrote: Real requests for approach usually include the "Are you rated and equipped?" query if you're not arriving on an IFR plan. I've never, ever been asked that in the US. Its customary in Mexico to ask that when picking up an IFR clearance (not sure what they would do if I said no ) -Robert Controllers are only required to ask if you're rated and equipped if a pilot flying VFR states he's in weather difficulty and would like an IFR clearance. |
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Newps wrote:
Controllers are only required to ask if you're rated and equipped if a pilot flying VFR states he's in weather difficulty and would like an IFR clearance. Controllers are never required to ask if a pilot is rated and equipped when he asks for an IFR clearance. |
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Filing IFR flight Plan in VMC
"Steven P. McNicoll" writes:
B A R R Y wrote: That's what I'm talking about. A VFR aircraft arriving at an IFR airport, so it needs an IFR approach. This is very common on Cape Cod and the Islands. I hear Cape and Boston approach ask the question so often, my rarely flying pax even know what it means. Apparently an unnecessary local custom. Given the sudden and unexpected weather conditions around the Cape, it's not a bad idea to ask. |
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Filing IFR flight Plan in VMC
Yes, filing and flying solo IFR is great practice while working on your IFR
ticket, however it is illegal to accept an IFR clearance without being qualified with the rating. I know a guy that filed and flew numerous IFR X-C at night while building time to qualify for the minimum time requirements for the IFR rating years ago. All the trips were in VFR conditions at night in benign weather, but IFR regs require the pilot receiving/flying an IFR flight plan to be qualified and equipped. You can get away with it unless something goes wrong, at which point you're either dead or in heap big trouble. -- Scott What Barack Obama learned from the Communist Party http://tinyurl.com/5bgbpu Democrats to America's drivers: "Let them ride bikes." http://tinyurl.com/5z5vg7 |
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Filing IFR flight Plan in VMC
On Jul 28, 7:01*pm, "Cyberfly via AviationKB.com" u45015@uwe wrote:
MArk, thanks for the input ,, I did look at 61.3 but interpreted it differently as IFR meaning IMC. So I guess the old guy was full of old crap... lol... THanks for the info on this one. Im almost done with my required items, hours, approaches, can even do ndb holds, radial holding, etc. The plane I rent has ADF and VOR (KX155) and DME and also has a Garmin 430 so Im learning both the old and new methods. I took my written and got a 96 on it.. so am glad to get that out of the way.. I should be ready for a check ride in Sept.. thanks for the help.. ron.. Yes, IFR is different than IMC. IFR is "rules", IMC is "conditions". -Robert |
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So...when he did all this, did he log it as such and create this illegal
record? How did he justify this to the examiner when his logbook was checked...or did the the examiner miss it. Did the CFII say anything about this when the 8710 was filled out? -- Regards, BobF. "tscottme" wrote in message . .. Yes, filing and flying solo IFR is great practice while working on your IFR ticket, however it is illegal to accept an IFR clearance without being qualified with the rating. I know a guy that filed and flew numerous IFR X-C at night while building time to qualify for the minimum time requirements for the IFR rating years ago. All the trips were in VFR conditions at night in benign weather, but IFR regs require the pilot receiving/flying an IFR flight plan to be qualified and equipped. You can get away with it unless something goes wrong, at which point you're either dead or in heap big trouble. -- Scott What Barack Obama learned from the Communist Party http://tinyurl.com/5bgbpu Democrats to America's drivers: "Let them ride bikes." http://tinyurl.com/5z5vg7 |
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Filing IFR flight Plan in VMC
"Robert M. Gary" wrote
Yes, IFR is different than IMC. IFR is "rules", IMC is "conditions". And just to add....IA,"Instrument Airplane" is the rating on the Airman Certificate. No such thing as an "IFR Rating" or "IFR Ticket". Bob Moore |
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