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On Oct 1, 12:05*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
writes: YOUR ORIGINAL POST WAS WRONG. Unless you explain the error that you believe it to have contained, your post doesn't serve much purpose, does it? I ALREADY DID. |
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On 9/22/2010 6:16 AM, ChristianFro wrote:
If an approach says DME required but I dont have DME, can I still execute a VFR practise approach? On GPS (RNAV) approaches, can I deviate from the published procedures with permission from the Tower or controlling agency if I am doing a VFR practise approach? I.E. Altitude deviation for a fix. If so, what is the reference? Thanks in advance. In VMC, there are VFR approaches, and practice IFR approaches. In IMC there are IFR approaches. Full stop. Required equipment for VFR approaches are one pair regulation eye-balls, an ASI, altimeter and compass. A radio is helpful. Brian W |
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On Oct 1, 7:07*pm, brian whatcott wrote:
In VMC, there are VFR approaches, and practice IFR approaches. In IMC there are IFR approaches. Full stop. Brian, I think it's ATC facility dependent for IFR approaches and full stops. I get touch and goes on IFR approaches on IFR clearances routinely my neck of the woods. Touch and goes also can be done on IFR XC round robins. Just file to a fix at the destination airport, pick up the approach clearance and fly back home after the touch and go. |
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On Oct 1, 4:32*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
writes: I ALREADY DID. If that were true, why would you bring it up again? BECAUSE YOU ARE WRONG. WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND??????????? |
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Hash: SHA1 Steven P. McNicoll wrote: A Guy Called Tyketto wrote: This is incorrect. You forget to take into account that ATC doesn't need to talk to you at all. That in itself is restrictive. If ATC tells you "Aircraft calling for Class B clearance remain outside of Class B airspace", it is restrictive, even if they do not acknowledge you directly. If ATC doesn't answer your call, you are to remain outside of Class B until they do. If they don't answer, too bad. Answering you isn't enough, if ATC does not clear you into Class B airspace you are to remain outside. That's exactly my point. If ATC tells you 'remain outside of Class Bravo Airspace', you're stuck. you remain outside it. If they don't contact you, you remain outside. If they even identify you, and you don't hear those magic words clearing you into the Bravo, you remain outside. Anthony here isn't getting the point there. BL. - -- Brad Littlejohn | Email: Unix Systems Administrator, | Web + NewsMaster, BOFH.. Smeghead! | http://www.wizard.com/~tyketto PGP: 1024D/E319F0BF 6980 AAD6 7329 E9E6 D569 F620 C819 199A E319 F0BF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFMppr/yBkZmuMZ8L8RAuOrAKCMJXIRwaRpm+VTKJz4fyp3YkeQZwCfcs qw q9guD6C/IrBvSiPohyY1VC8= =WWus -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:
That's exactly my point. If ATC tells you 'remain outside of Class Bravo Airspace', you're stuck. you remain outside it. If they don't contact you, you remain outside. If they even identify you, and you don't hear those magic words clearing you into the Bravo, you remain outside. Mxsmanic wrote: If you are thinking Class B, you can do what you want in Class B, UNLESS ATC tells you otherwise, and PROVIDED OF COURSE THAT YOU HAVE A CLEARANCE into the airspace before you enter it. (emphasis added) |
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Hash: SHA1 Mxsmanic wrote: A Guy Called Tyketto writes: That's exactly my point. If ATC tells you 'remain outside of Class Bravo Airspace', you're stuck. you remain outside it. If they don't contact you, you remain outside. If they even identify you, and you don't hear those magic words clearing you into the Bravo, you remain outside. Mxsmanic wrote: If you are thinking Class B, you can do what you want in Class B, UNLESS ATC tells you otherwise, and PROVIDED OF COURSE THAT YOU HAVE A CLEARANCE into the airspace before you enter it. (emphasis added) You miss the point again. ATC does *NOT* have to reply to you at all, despite all your calls for Class B clearance. If you do not hear from them, you're not getting into the Bravo at all. So you'd better get below it (assuming you can without passing through it), stay above it (assuming you can without passing through it), or go around it. And for 'you can do what you want in Class B', 7-9-2.a of the ..65T tells you otherwise: a. VFR aircraft must obtain an ATC clearance to operate in Class B airspace. PHRASEOLOGY: CLEARED THROUGH/TO ENTER/OUT OF BRAVO AIRSPACE, and as appropriate, VIA (route). MAINTAIN (altitude) WHILE IN BRAVO AIRSPACE. or CLEARED AS REQUESTED. (Additional instructions, as necessary.) REMAIN OUTSIDE BRAVO AIRSPACE. (When necessary, reason and/or additional instructions.) So if you are told to maintain a given altitude while in the Bravo with your clearance to enter the Bravo, you will be no where near 'you can do what you want'. In short, you're a guest in Class B airspace, and at the command of what ATC needs you to do, based on their workload, other traffic, and/or any other limitations. BL. - -- Brad Littlejohn | Email: Unix Systems Administrator, | Web + NewsMaster, BOFH.. Smeghead! | http://www.wizard.com/~tyketto PGP: 1024D/E319F0BF 6980 AAD6 7329 E9E6 D569 F620 C819 199A E319 F0BF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFMptuAyBkZmuMZ8L8RAnKuAJ96qH9M1WSfwytZmNtrgq aFkdULuACeOHLb VeeFHIHQ89aoo54hbMxY6Gk= =//qC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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