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Wearing a G-1 Flight Jacket Off Base?
This is really about the Brown Shoe Black Shoe thing. Man,
some of those comments are so funny!!! Can I use them at work? I have a "shoe" in my command (aviation) that just made Chief, and is wearing brown shoes, I give him a lot of S#$! almost every day! Get this, a good sea story,,,,I made Chief a decade ago at a primarily shoe base with an NAF. There were 2 of us aviation guys, the other 15 were shoes. While going through Chiefs Initiation, at a daily fun and games training session, my fellow aviation selectee and I decided to sing the "Blackshoe Song" to all the other Chiefs, SC's and MC's in attendance. It went like this....(sung to the tune of "Oh Christmas Tree),,, "Oh Blackshoe Chiefs on bended knees, you kiss the ass of Brownshoe Chiefs,,, although you think your first ashore, the brownshoe Chiefs been there before,,,Oh Blackshoe Chief on bended knees, you kiss the ass of Brownshoe Chiefs." It was great! As a result , we completely alienated ourselves from the whole rest of the base! Our squadron Chiefs were laffing there Butts off. The base Master Chief (female) was a thin skinned shoe, and told our squadron CMC that her Selectees would no longer attend training sessions at our Chiefs Mess, because us squadron guys were just a bunch of " male chauvinist, green flight jacket wearing, prima donnas" !!! |
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writes This is really about the Brown Shoe Black Shoe thing. Man, some of those comments are so funny!!! Can I use them at work? I have a "shoe" in my command (aviation) that just made Chief, and is wearing brown shoes, I give him a lot of S#$! almost every day! Would somebody explain to an ignorant Limey what this shoe stuff is all about? My knowledge of Service slang is strictly UK-based, crabs and pongoes and all that. -- Peter Ying tong iddle-i po! |
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"Peter Twydell" wrote in message ... In article , user writes This is really about the Brown Shoe Black Shoe thing. Man, some of those comments are so funny!!! Can I use them at work? I have a "shoe" in my command (aviation) that just made Chief, and is wearing brown shoes, I give him a lot of S#$! almost every day! Would somebody explain to an ignorant Limey what this shoe stuff is all about? My knowledge of Service slang is strictly UK-based, crabs and pongoes and all that. -- Peter Ying tong iddle-i po! Once upon a time all the Navy and Marines wore brown shoes. When the navy switched to black shoes, to better go with the white, and blue, uniforms, aviation remained with brown shoes. One of the reasons given and the one that makes the most sense to me was because aviators in both the Navy and Marines wore the Marine green uniform, refered to as "Working Green". They stayed with brown shoes because the Marines still wore brown shoes. Also because brown shoes looked better with the kaki summer uniform. I believe in late 1963/early 1964 the Marines changed to black shoes. But aviation continued to wear brown shoes as by this time they had discovered that it ****ed off the rest of the Navy. And that is the truth! Red Rider |
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writes "Peter Twydell" wrote in message ... In article , user writes This is really about the Brown Shoe Black Shoe thing. Man, some of those comments are so funny!!! Can I use them at work? I have a "shoe" in my command (aviation) that just made Chief, and is wearing brown shoes, I give him a lot of S#$! almost every day! Would somebody explain to an ignorant Limey what this shoe stuff is all about? My knowledge of Service slang is strictly UK-based, crabs and pongoes and all that. -- Peter Ying tong iddle-i po! Once upon a time all the Navy and Marines wore brown shoes. When the navy switched to black shoes, to better go with the white, and blue, uniforms, aviation remained with brown shoes. One of the reasons given and the one that makes the most sense to me was because aviators in both the Navy and Marines wore the Marine green uniform, refered to as "Working Green". They stayed with brown shoes because the Marines still wore brown shoes. Also because brown shoes looked better with the kaki summer uniform. I believe in late 1963/early 1964 the Marines changed to black shoes. But aviation continued to wear brown shoes as by this time they had discovered that it ****ed off the rest of the Navy. And that is the truth! Red Rider At least you didn't start off "This is no ****", so I'll have to believe you! Thanks for the info. -- Peter Ying tong iddle-i po! |
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On 10/25/03 1:38 PM, in article
, "R" wrote: "Peter Twydell" wrote in message ... In article , user writes This is really about the Brown Shoe Black Shoe thing. Man, some of those comments are so funny!!! Can I use them at work? I have a "shoe" in my command (aviation) that just made Chief, and is wearing brown shoes, I give him a lot of S#$! almost every day! Would somebody explain to an ignorant Limey what this shoe stuff is all about? My knowledge of Service slang is strictly UK-based, crabs and pongoes and all that. -- Peter Ying tong iddle-i po! Once upon a time all the Navy and Marines wore brown shoes. When the navy switched to black shoes, to better go with the white, and blue, uniforms, aviation remained with brown shoes. One of the reasons given and the one that makes the most sense to me was because aviators in both the Navy and Marines wore the Marine green uniform, refered to as "Working Green". They stayed with brown shoes because the Marines still wore brown shoes. Also because brown shoes looked better with the kaki summer uniform. I believe in late 1963/early 1964 the Marines changed to black shoes. But aviation continued to wear brown shoes as by this time they had discovered that it ****ed off the rest of the Navy. And that is the truth! Red Rider Nowadays, most of us wear brown boots with the flight suits too. --Woody |
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Nowadays, most of us wear brown boots with the flight suits too.
One thing that always amazes me... most of the flight boots I see look more like hicking/hunting boots than anything else? In this day and age, why not use something lighter and that allows for a finer feel and touch? _____________ José Herculano |
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One thing that always amazes me... most of the flight boots I see look more like hicking/hunting boots than anything else? In this day and age, why not use something lighter and that allows for a finer feel and touch? _____________ José Herculano Good point. Back in my day, we wore pretty much what we wanted as long as it had some remote military connection. Some wore dress shoes, safety shoes, Boondockers (ankle high boots) were popular, and of course boots. By the end of Vietnam, where ejection was a real possibility, boots were the choice of many, with a few even buying Cochran (sp?) Jump Boots. I almost always wore boots and two pairs of socks, as my feet were always getting cold. |
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On 10/26/03 5:17 AM, in article ,
"José Herculano" wrote: Nowadays, most of us wear brown boots with the flight suits too. One thing that always amazes me... most of the flight boots I see look more like hicking/hunting boots than anything else? In this day and age, why not use something lighter and that allows for a finer feel and touch? _____________ José Herculano José, Standard answer is that the boot is designed more for what happens before and after the flight (especially if there are more takeoffs than landings) than for what it does in the airplane. i.e. steel toes for that rare flight deck mishap and high boot backs and rugged soles for that parachute landing and hike to the nearest Texan and his pick-up truck. Not much delicate feel is required on rudder pedals. Stick, yes. Pedals, no. Although *misapply* controls (e.g. high AOA and right stick and left rudder), and you could be off to the races. --Woody |
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"R" wrote in message m... Once upon a time all the Navy and Marines wore brown shoes. When the navy switched to black shoes, to better go with the white, and blue, uniforms, aviation remained with brown shoes. One of the reasons given and the one that makes the most sense to me was because aviators in both the Navy and Marines wore the Marine green uniform, refered to as "Working Green". Actually the black shoes were first. When green and khaki uniforms were authorized for aviators in WW1, they had brown shoes to go with them. Just before WW2 all officers and chiefs were allowed to wear the khaki working uniform, but with their regular black shoes and brown shoes as an option. Aviation officers, who also had the winter green uniform and tan overcoat, were required to have brown shoes. Most non-aviation officers went with the minimum required kit and wore their black shoes with khaki, and a whole tradition grew up around it. --Justin |
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"Justin Broderick" wrote in message
Once upon a time all the Navy and Marines wore brown shoes. When the navy switched to black shoes, to better go with the white, and blue, uniforms, aviation remained with brown shoes. One of the reasons given and the one that makes the most sense to me was because aviators in both the Navy and Marines wore the Marine green uniform, refered to as "Working Green". Actually the black shoes were first. Concur. When green and khaki uniforms were authorized for aviators in WW1, they had brown shoes to go with them. There are some very nice photos in the archives of the NAVAIR Museum showing early aviators wearing russet riding boots that they probably obtained from their nearest Army Cavalry officer neighbor (the Army having shifted from black to russet about the time of the Spanish-American War). I would bet a dollar to a donut that this is the origin of the brown shoe. It was also in fashion in those days to wear jodpurs, paddock boots, and half-chaps. I believe I have seen that, too. More than one Army officer in those days swapped his horse for a flying machine. That he might have taken some of his gear with him is pretty logical. That other services might have copied it is also logical (why re-invent the wheel?). They also have some very interesting photos of flight crew both afloat and ashore which shows a really amazing variety of gear even within the same organization. I suspect that this, more than anything else, must have given 'Shoe captains and admirals the vapors. Just before WW2 all officers and chiefs were allowed to wear the khaki working uniform, but with their regular black shoes and brown shoes as an option. Aviation officers, who also had the winter green uniform and tan overcoat, were required to have brown shoes. Most non-aviation officers went with the minimum required kit and wore their black shoes with khaki, and a whole tradition grew up around it. Can't comment on this, as I have not reviewed either the photos of the day or the Uniform Regs of the day!g Bill Kambic If, by any act, error, or omission, I have, intentionally or unintentionally, displayed any breedist, disciplinist, sexist, racist, culturalist, nationalist, regionalist, localist, ageist, lookist, ableist, sizeist, speciesist, intellectualist, socioeconomicist, ethnocentrist, phallocentrist, heteropatriarchalist, or other violation of the rules of political correctness, known or unknown, I am not sorry and I encourage you to get over it. |
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