Why was the USAF.....................

Charles Gray wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 06:23:07 GMT, Mike Marron
wrote:



Mark and Kim Smith wrote:


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Question: Your are in charge of the air force in 2001. What would you
have done to prevent 9/11 from occuring?


Pre-9/11 Intelligence or *today's* beefed up Intelligence and Homeland
Security?


Obviously Pre-9/11, Mike.
If we could enlist prophets into the Air Force, avoiding 9/11's
wouldn't be very diffucult. Unfortunately, intelligence people do not
have such an advantage.



Yes, pre 9/11. And you are in charge of the Air Force. What would you
do on 9/11. You have control of the Air Force and whatever intelligence
is available from the FBI, CIA, etc. How do you stop those planes from
hitting their targets?

B2431 wrote:

From: Mike Marron
Date: 1/7/2004 6:52 PM Central Standard Time
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"Pete" wrote:
"Mike Marron" wrote

The original poster asked a reasonable question

Reasonable? As written, this troll is more along the lines of "When did you
stop beating your wife?"

Of course you're correct. Let's disregard the manner in which the
question was asked (the original poster asked, "Why was the USAF stood
down on 9/11?") and simply ask instead something along the lines of;
"Why was the USAF unable to prevent 9/11?"


The orignal poster has no idea of what standing down means.

That's true. While much of my service was overseas,
the only time I can recall a one-day "stand down" was
in 1969, during a well-organized civilian "Moratorium
Against the (VN) War" - and it only applied to TAC.
(Evidently, they were concerned that the demonstration
would be considerably larger than it actually was...)

Your suggestion that the USAF was somehow at fault for 9/11 is offensive and it
shows you have no idea what the USAF's job is.

Agreed.

I got to look inside an H one time, it was at Giant Sword 1977. I imagine
they have changed some.


You would notice only minor changes.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

BUFDRVR wrote:

Anyone with D model time, is long retired, or dead.


Not true. There a few "tall tail" guys around. They're all O-6 or above.

Or E-9...

Gene Storey wrote in message
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"Pete" wrote

Really. So what should have been done differently?

New York should have AAA and SAM batteries, like most third world
countries. There should be no way an airplane can enter New York City
at high speed that isn't identified. Any aircraft at the speeds
given, at such
a low altitude should be splashed before they enter a center of
commerce.

I would have NYC ringed by Patriot batteries, and anything above 250
knots
that isn't on a flight plan should be terminated. Error on the side
of those on the
ground.


How many Star Trek conventions have you attended?

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Scott
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extremism. Their targets, which will now confront the full force of
l'état, are schoolgirls who wear Muslim head scarves in French public
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"Clark" stillnospam@me wrote in message
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I think you miss the point, but that's just me...


Nope, got the point, and your joke. I just wanted to correct the spelling.

Mike Marron wrote in message
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A preemptive strike, perhaps? Recall the Israeli attack on the Osiraq
nuclear powerplant near Baghdad back in 1981.


A preemptive strike on the United terminal at Boston Logan?

You haven't been frequenting the space shuttle news group asking why
Rockwell didn't make the thing out of titanium have you?

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Scott
--------
The French, God bless them, are finally joining the war against Islamic
extremism. Their targets, which will now confront the full force of
l'état, are schoolgirls who wear Muslim head scarves in French public
schools.
Wall Street Journal

Mark and Kim Smith wrote in message
...


Question: Your are in charge of the air force in 2001. What would you
have done to prevent 9/11 from occuring?


He would get in his time machine and travel back before the birth of
Muhammed and create a religion that worships afternoon naps.

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Scott
--------
The French, God bless them, are finally joining the war against Islamic
extremism. Their targets, which will now confront the full force of
l'état, are schoolgirls who wear Muslim head scarves in French public
schools.
Wall Street Journal

"BUFDRVR" wrote
New York should have AAA and SAM batteries, like most third world
countries. There should be no way an airplane can enter New York City
at high speed that isn't identified. Any aircraft at the speeds given, at
such
a low altitude should be splashed before they enter a center of commerce.

I would have NYC ringed by Patriot batteries, and anything above 250 knots
that isn't on a flight plan should be terminated. Error on the side of those
on the
ground.

Using this criteria, I would have been shot down in the Spring of '97 (I think
??) due to no fault of my own, or anyone on my jet.

Well, I just pulled 250 knots out of my ass. Maybe there's a better number.
But yes, I would kill anything aimed at Manhattan that was tagged hostile by
the ADA Battery. We are pretty much accustomed to Friendly Fire deaths
now, and what the hell, you would get a possible purple heart, or get to
play with a real live parachute.

"If it flies, it dies" -- Motto of ADA

"Chad Irby" wrote

Hell, I've known adult humans - I'm not calling them "grown-ups" - who
would look you straight in the eye and tell you, seriously, that the
United States doesn't need a military, period.

If it wasn't for an oil based society, they would be believable. But we need
all the Nukes and Forces we can muster to keep the oil fields and the sea lanes
open. Thus, until we harness fusion, we are stuck with the MIC (military
industrial complex) as a cornerstone of our economy.

The middle east, Europe, and Asia are important to us, only in the way they
are dependant on the same energy sources. Our relation to them, is as a
competitor, and a threat to keep them from interfering with our oil reserves.