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Jepps airport and VOR names ... how used?
"akiley" wrote in message oups.com... Question A: I'm trying to get fast and accurate at programming routes (and possible reroutes) into the KLN94 and G1000 navigators our club planes are equipped with. I was wondering, does ATC usually give you the VOR 3 letter ID or the full name? If it's the full name and it's unfamiliar territory, do you just ask them to spell all VOR and fix names? Or do you write down the full name longhand then try to find the match on the chart. I fly a lot of local and they seem to say the full VOR name. Full name. You can certainly ask for the identifier. Question B: How do you know what an airport is *called*? If it has an IAP you can see it's called "Jackson Tower". (Jackson, MI, KJXN) If you use a gov VFR chart, or Jepps LOW you would only know to call it "Jackson County Reynolds tower". Lansing Michigan's airport name is "Capital City", but it's Lansing Tower on the Jepps IAP. Sees this could add a layer of confusion when the tower is closed and someone that doesn't know the area is reporting final Capital City. Why do they have airport names, but not necessarily use them? You're speaking of two different things. Airports have names, and control towers have names, but the control tower and airport don't necessarily have the same name. The name of the ATC facility at JXN is "Jackson Tower", not "Jackson County Reynolds tower". |
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Jepps airport and VOR names ... how used?
"Doug" wrote in message ups.com... Well, I can tell you that when I was up there in Alaska (and the last time was 4 years ago, so things have changed), the id my GPS used (which was ICAO, and the id that FSS used were different. And if you looked in the AFD, there were TWO different ids (NONE with the ICAO prefix) in the AFD). What a mess!!!!! I am sure they are working it out (I assume they are migrating to ICAO) but I don't have the lastest. That's odd, I have a 15 year old Alaska A/FD and all the airports that have two identifiers have the proper 3-letter and ICAO identifiers. |
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Jepps airport and VOR names ... how used?
I remember filing my Jeppesen revisions many years ago, over
a period of about 8 weeks, the City of St. Louis renamed the Lambert Airport every week, I guess it was to celebrate something. First it was Lambert Field, Then it was St. Louis Lambert Airport, then it was St. Louis Lambert International Airport, then they began again. This required that every approach chart and procedure be re-issued. It was a pain in the neck because some local politician was exercising their right to name the airport. -- James H. Macklin ATP,CFI,A&P -- The people think the Constitution protects their rights; But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome. some support http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties. "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message link.net... | | "Doug" wrote in message | ups.com... | | Well, I can tell you that when I was up there in Alaska (and the last | time was 4 years ago, so things have changed), the id my GPS used | (which was ICAO, and the id that FSS used were different. And if you | looked in the AFD, there were TWO different ids (NONE with the ICAO | prefix) in the AFD). What a mess!!!!! I am sure they are working it out | (I assume they are migrating to ICAO) but I don't have the lastest. | | | That's odd, I have a 15 year old Alaska A/FD and all the airports that have | two identifiers have the proper 3-letter and ICAO identifiers. | | |
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Jepps airport and VOR names ... how used?
This came about by the increased usage of computers in Air Traffic Control.
Computers could not understand or process a VOR(Cleveland VOR) CLE direct to Cleveland (Hopkins) Airport CLE. So it was decided to change the name the name of the VOR. So Cleveland VOR becamw Dryer VOR (DBJ). It was nameed after a very prominent Cleveland aviation family. Milwaukee VOR became Badger, South Bend VOR became Gipper (wonder why?) and so on. Al "Henry A. Spellman" wrote in message news:SBOFf.780436$xm3.140642@attbi_s21... Controllers sometimes don't remember that a fix or facility name has changed. I live near Bloomington, IL, with a VOR named Bloomington (BMI). My son lived near Bloomington, IN, and the VOR approach to the airport nearest his home was based on the VOR at Bloomington, IN, naturally named Bloomington VOR (BMG if I remember correctly). Shortly after the Bloomington (IN) VOR was renamed Hoosier VOR (OOM), I was enroute to see my son when I received an amended clearance "direct to Bloomington VOR". I asked for clarification, and the controller repeated the same clearance. Bloomington (IL) (BMI) was behind me, so I asked why he wanted me to turn around. Then it dawned on me, and I asked if maybe the last clearance was really for Hoosier VOR. He agreed that Hoosier VOR would be better. You can't ever let your guard down. Hank Henry A. Spellman Comanche N5903P Marco Leon wrote: Interesting questions. Question A: It depends on the controller. In the Northeast, I've found that the more commonly-used VORs are referred to by name only while others have the identifier called out on a regular basis--especially if the ID is nothing like the name. Just ask the controller to give it to you by the identifier beforehand. They'll probably have no probem with it. Question B: Like you mentioned, the Jepps have the spoken name on their charts which is one of their benefits. At least at my home field--where the spoken name is Republic and the charts are under Farmingdale--I've never personally heard it cause any confusion (with or without the tower operational). Most pilots can figure it out quite readily. Call them by whatever the ATC facility is using (either tower or Approach) and you can't go wrong. As for the history of WHY, well, that probably varies with each facility. Marco |
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Jepps airport and VOR names ... how used?
In a previous article, "Allan9" said:
This came about by the increased usage of computers in Air Traffic Control. Computers could not understand or process a VOR(Cleveland VOR) CLE direct to Cleveland (Hopkins) Airport CLE. So it was decided to change the name the name of the VOR. So Cleveland VOR becamw Dryer VOR (DBJ). It was nameed after a very prominent Cleveland aviation family. Milwaukee VOR became Badger, South Bend VOR became Gipper (wonder why?) and so on. Al So why are so many VORs around here still sharing the name and ident with the local airport? SYR, ROC and BUF are all FAA ids that are shared between airports and their on-field or nearby VORs. BUF VOR is even part of the BUFFALO ONE departure from BUF airport, and is part of the feeder routes for several instrument approaches there. -- Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/ "It should be understood by those skilled in the art that a Web browser, such as Netscape Navigator or Internet Explorer, ... is separate from the operating system." - Microsoft patent lawyers shoot their anti-trust lawyers in the ass. |
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Jepps airport and VOR names ... how used?
Paul Tomblin wrote:
So why are so many VORs around here still sharing the name and ident with the local airport? SYR, ROC and BUF are all FAA ids that are shared between airports and their on-field or nearby VORs. BUF VOR is even part of the BUFFALO ONE departure from BUF airport, and is part of the feeder routes for several instrument approaches there. Flying out of Syracuse, I was thinking the same thing... -- Peter |
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Jepps airport and VOR names ... how used?
In article q0XFf.79086$QW2.34288@dukeread08,
says... I remember filing my Jeppesen revisions many years ago, over a period of about 8 weeks, the City of St. Louis renamed the Lambert Airport every week, I guess it was to celebrate something. First it was Lambert Field, Then it was St. Louis Lambert Airport, then it was St. Louis Lambert International Airport, then they began again. This required that every approach chart and procedure be re-issued. It was a pain in the neck because some local politician was exercising their right to name the airport. That's funny - but at least being St Louis, you didn't have to wonder what city name to use. Lots of airports are located next to small towns that an "outsider" pilot doesn't know or care about. Someone flying in from a thousand miles away might think of HPN as a New York airport. They probably know it's called Westchester County, but they may never have heard of White Plains. And that's an example from a well-known airport. Who knows off the top of their head the town associated with Harriman and West? GF |
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Jepps airport and VOR names ... how used?
"Allan9" wrote in message ...
.... So Cleveland VOR becamw Dryer VOR (DBJ). It was nameed after a very prominent Cleveland aviation family. Milwaukee VOR became Badger, South Bend VOR became Gipper (wonder why?) and so on. Al "And so on" indeed. In 1956, the Columbus, Ohio zoo had the first gorilla baby ever born in captivity. Shortly after, our VOR was renamed APE (Appleton). |
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Jepps airport and VOR names ... how used?
"Allan9" wrote in message ... This came about by the increased usage of computers in Air Traffic Control. Computers could not understand or process a VOR(Cleveland VOR) CLE direct to Cleveland (Hopkins) Airport CLE. So it was decided to change the name the name of the VOR. So Cleveland VOR becamw Dryer VOR (DBJ). It was nameed after a very prominent Cleveland aviation family. Milwaukee VOR became Badger, South Bend VOR became Gipper (wonder why?) and so on. Flight data processing computers could understand and process VOR to airport and airport to VOR routes with identical identifiers. They still do, the VORs that had their identifiers changed were typically those that were more than about five miles from the airport. By the way, Dryer is DJB, not DBJ. |
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Jepps airport and VOR names ... how used?
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message ... So why are so many VORs around here still sharing the name and ident with the local airport? SYR, ROC and BUF are all FAA ids that are shared between airports and their on-field or nearby VORs. BUF VOR is even part of the BUFFALO ONE departure from BUF airport, and is part of the feeder routes for several instrument approaches there. Because they're on or near the airport. Only the VORs that were some distance from the fields were changed, generally more than five miles. |
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