Experimentals To Be Banned To Rural Airports?

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:55:54 -0700, Tom C wrote:

In another thread I was reading about the hazards of airparks. The
discussion were adamant about that not being the case yet here I have
this opinion stated three or four times in this thread. Care to comment?

This isn't an airpark. This has been an established airport since the
1940's.Up until the big Vegas boom, this county owned facility was
surrounded by nothing but desert. Like so many other growing towns (like
what has happened in CA and Long Island NY), the soccer moms and urban
drones decided that all that flat land around the airport to be prime home
sites. The built up all around it including runway ends. Now there are
shouts about noise and "danger." These same dangers have been there since
the 1940's when the Las Vegas Gunnery School was initiated during the war.
This airport never has been an airpark. It has always been an airport
designed for heavy training and GA traffic. The land around it should never
have been used for homes.

If you go to http://www.skyvector.com and type in VGT you will see the last
vestiges of open area around the airport. You will also see A-481. This is a
designated high performance take off area for KLSV (Nellis AFB). The yellow
area under it wasn't there 15 years ago. This is also true for the yellow
area around VGT. The city exploded to the north and surrounded the airport.
Another good Google search is Las Vegas pig farm.

Example:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_ho.../12470973.html

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_ho.../19622083.html

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/2006...rowth-farm.htm

Bottom line greedy developers and people who don't do their homework are now
razing a stink. GA is going to pay for it - as usual.

Tom C

Thx for the reply.

In article ,
Gezellig wrote:

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:31:17 -0700, Tom C wrote:

Now you have this guy who hates GA and the clueless people who were
sold a bill of goods by developers that encroached on an airport that's
been
there since WW II and we have one melting ball of wax.

In another thread I was reading about the hazards of airparks. The
discussion were adamant about that not being the case yet here I have
this opinion stated three or four times in this thread. Care to comment?

HUH???? What hazards of airparks? There has been nothing in this thread
about it!

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"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
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In article ,
Gezellig wrote:

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:31:17 -0700, Tom C wrote:

Now you have this guy who hates GA and the clueless people who were
sold a bill of goods by developers that encroached on an airport
that's
been
there since WW II and we have one melting ball of wax.

In another thread I was reading about the hazards of airparks. The
discussion were adamant about that not being the case yet here I have
this opinion stated three or four times in this thread. Care to comment?

HUH???? What hazards of airparks? There has been nothing in this thread
about it!



That was some thread a while ago. Someone was convinced that living at an
airpark was something like a suicide attempt. Data to the contrary was
dismissed as obviously wrong because living near a runway was
pre-determined to be dangerous.

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On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:16:46 -0400, Orval Fairbairn wrote:

In article ,
Gezellig wrote:

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:31:17 -0700, Tom C wrote:

Now you have this guy who hates GA and the clueless people who were
sold a bill of goods by developers that encroached on an airport that's
been
there since WW II and we have one melting ball of wax.

In another thread I was reading about the hazards of airparks. The
discussion were adamant about that not being the case yet here I have
this opinion stated three or four times in this thread. Care to comment?

HUH???? What hazards of airparks? There has been nothing in this thread
about it!

What hazards? Get serious, air parks like any other airfield have
hazards.

Tom.. may I asked where you moved it to?
Because if you picked 0L7 and CCDoA gets their way.. that airport will be
closed in 2017.

They (CCDoA) won't tell you it will be closed, they are not allowing further
development at the airport, but this is where RandyW wants experimentals to
go. There are no hangers, there are no maint facilities, they are allowing
cracks in the ramp and runways to develop. The legislative language that got
them the BLM land for their new airport says that 0L7 will remain open "as
long as it is feasibly safe".

If they get their way and the new IVP airport opens, say hello to expansion
of the current ClassB, or at least a Class C, and the 0L7 airport will be
within the Class D radius of the IVP operations, so you'll need clearance
from a remote tower to get in and out. Oh.. another thing.. the FAF for the
approach into IVP will be just about where the downwind is for 20R.

Also, CCDoA is making no noise about closing 0L7, and they are making no
noise about developing another "Sport Aviation" facility to take it's place.

BT

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"Steve Foley" wrote in message
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'Clark County Aviation Director Randy Walker


I just moved my Cherokee from VGT not because of safety, but because this
guy is well known to hate GA. All he wants there are small jet ops. VGT is
enough of a PIA because of McCarran's and Nellis Class B then throw in VGT
class D. Now you have this guy who hates GA and the clueless people who
were sold a bill of goods by developers that encroached on an airport
that's been there since WW II and we have one melting ball of wax.

All but one Grand Canyon tour operator has been pushed out of VGT. Mercy
Air has no bases there only maintenance. Two fixed wing air ambulances
were pushed to McCarran and Henderson,

All this guy needed was an excuse. Now he has a Velocity into one house
and a certified twin into another.

It's going to get ugly.


Tom C

61B dodging helicopters Only $5 bucks more a month and it's way closer to
home so I make it up in time savings and gas. Plus the best Brew Pub in
Clark County is out there so when I put the plane away I can go for cold
draft and tasty burger.

Tom C
"BT" wrote in message
...
Tom.. may I asked where you moved it to?
Because if you picked 0L7 and CCDoA gets their way.. that airport will be
closed in 2017.

They (CCDoA) won't tell you it will be closed, they are not allowing
further development at the airport, but this is where RandyW wants
experimentals to go. There are no hangers, there are no maint facilities,
they are allowing cracks in the ramp and runways to develop. The
legislative language that got them the BLM land for their new airport says
that 0L7 will remain open "as long as it is feasibly safe".

If they get their way and the new IVP airport opens, say hello to
expansion of the current ClassB, or at least a Class C, and the 0L7
airport will be within the Class D radius of the IVP operations, so you'll
need clearance from a remote tower to get in and out. Oh.. another thing..
the FAF for the approach into IVP will be just about where the downwind is
for 20R.

Also, CCDoA is making no noise about closing 0L7, and they are making no
noise about developing another "Sport Aviation" facility to take it's
place.

BT

"Tom C" * wrote in message
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"Steve Foley" wrote in message
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"T. "Tim" Timothy Haag aka HyoogeUmp56" wrote in
message ...
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1199-full.html#198676

'Clark County Aviation Director Randy Walker


I just moved my Cherokee from VGT not because of safety, but because this
guy is well known to hate GA. All he wants there are small jet ops. VGT
is enough of a PIA because of McCarran's and Nellis Class B then throw in
VGT class D. Now you have this guy who hates GA and the clueless people
who were sold a bill of goods by developers that encroached on an airport
that's been there since WW II and we have one melting ball of wax.

All but one Grand Canyon tour operator has been pushed out of VGT. Mercy
Air has no bases there only maintenance. Two fixed wing air ambulances
were pushed to McCarran and Henderson,

All this guy needed was an excuse. Now he has a Velocity into one house
and a certified twin into another.

It's going to get ugly.


Tom C

roger on 61B and dodging helo's..
which pub would that be?? the A&W?
BT

"Tom C" * wrote in message
...
61B dodging helicopters Only $5 bucks more a month and it's way closer
to home so I make it up in time savings and gas. Plus the best Brew Pub in
Clark County is out there so when I put the plane away I can go for cold
draft and tasty burger.

Tom C
"BT" wrote in message
...
Tom.. may I asked where you moved it to?
Because if you picked 0L7 and CCDoA gets their way.. that airport will be
closed in 2017.

They (CCDoA) won't tell you it will be closed, they are not allowing
further development at the airport, but this is where RandyW wants
experimentals to go. There are no hangers, there are no maint facilities,
they are allowing cracks in the ramp and runways to develop. The
legislative language that got them the BLM land for their new airport
says that 0L7 will remain open "as long as it is feasibly safe".

If they get their way and the new IVP airport opens, say hello to
expansion of the current ClassB, or at least a Class C, and the 0L7
airport will be within the Class D radius of the IVP operations, so
you'll need clearance from a remote tower to get in and out. Oh.. another
thing.. the FAF for the approach into IVP will be just about where the
downwind is for 20R.

Also, CCDoA is making no noise about closing 0L7, and they are making no
noise about developing another "Sport Aviation" facility to take it's
place.

BT

"Tom C" * wrote in message
...

"Steve Foley" wrote in message
...
"T. "Tim" Timothy Haag aka HyoogeUmp56" wrote in
message ...
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1199-full.html#198676

'Clark County Aviation Director Randy Walker


I just moved my Cherokee from VGT not because of safety, but because
this guy is well known to hate GA. All he wants there are small jet ops.
VGT is enough of a PIA because of McCarran's and Nellis Class B then
throw in VGT class D. Now you have this guy who hates GA and the
clueless people who were sold a bill of goods by developers that
encroached on an airport that's been there since WW II and we have one
melting ball of wax.

All but one Grand Canyon tour operator has been pushed out of VGT. Mercy
Air has no bases there only maintenance. Two fixed wing air ambulances
were pushed to McCarran and Henderson,

All this guy needed was an excuse. Now he has a Velocity into one house
and a certified twin into another.

It's going to get ugly.


Tom C

T. "Tim" Timothy Haag aka HyoogeUmp56 wrote:
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1199-full.html#198676

Screw him (Randy Walker). Experimentals are issued airworthiness
certificates from the FAA just as are certified aircraft. If they
restrict experimentals from using the "public use" airports, they can
(and should) forfeit Ferderal funding. Has a certified airplane ever
crashed and killed an innocent on the ground? Nuff said.

Scott
(I fly both certified and experimental and have never so much as
scratched either type)

"Scott" wrote in message
.. .
T. "Tim" Timothy Haag aka HyoogeUmp56 wrote:
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1199-full.html#198676

Screw him (Randy Walker). Experimentals are issued airworthiness
certificates from the FAA just as are certified aircraft. If they
restrict experimentals from using the "public use" airports, they can (and
should) forfeit Ferderal funding. Has a certified airplane ever crashed
and killed an innocent on the ground? Nuff said.

Scott
(I fly both certified and experimental and have never so much as scratched
either type)

The guy is either a politician or he works for one. When the public hears
"experimental" or "home-built", they hear "death trap" because the public at
large has an irrational fear of aviation to begin with. Also you have the
fact that the public at large perceives no impact to themselves by banning
such operations. Relatively small changes could be made to driving laws and
100 times more lives would be saved, but that would impact the public at
large so that ain't gonna happen. Nobody wants to give up their "right" to
drive with a cell phone, ignore speed limits, run stop lights, etc. even
though such activity puts other people at risk.

In article Y4Htk.1161$Ro1.744@trnddc04, "Mike" wrote:

Nobody wants to give up their "right" to
drive with a cell phone, ignore speed limits, run stop lights, etc. even
though such activity puts other people at risk.

"drive with a cell phone" .... ohmygawd. Hey, what about drive with
one of those GPS thingies, or changing CDs or scanning thru XM radio or....?
Maybe we should require a sterile car so that nothing, absolutely nothing
can distract the driver.

(yep - this crusade about talking on a cellphone is a hot button for me).

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)