If yiu didn't fight in WW II.....

There were many from here in New Mexico that were at Bataan. NM had a large
number of people there, because of the guard units that were sent there.

The 200th and 515th Anti-Aircraft Artillery. I haven't been to the museum
in Santa Fe yet, but if any of the regulars here are ever in Albuquerque,
there's a quiet memorial in Bataan Memorial Park on Lomas just west of
Carslile.

If you do visit, take the time to count the number of men who didn't make
it home - something like half.

A big uproar happened a couple years ago, when some leftist hippy peace
group
wanted to put a memorial up in Santa Fe for the Japanese, and the Bataan
survivors were none too happy about that.

Completely understandable, given the survivors' treatment on the march.

George

I spent some time today researching the commemorative march held later in
March. It is 26 miles through the desert, mostly military but civilians can go
too. Bataan survivors attend the ceremonies, and I think it would be
interesting. Need something to work towards before I go fly tankers. Sounds
like a grueling but rewarding experience for those who do it.

Too bad we dont have more RAM posters here in NM that could do it too


Ron
Tanker 65, C-54E (DC-4)

Christopher Morton wrote in message . ..


There were contingents from west-central Ohio too. If I'm not
mistaken, the drill hall on the Camp Perry training facility (where
the National Shooting Matches are held) is called the Bataan hall. I
think some of the tankers came from Port Clinton, and or Fremont.

There should be a Stuart somewhere around there as well. I think its
one of the early ones held together with rivits. I was the drum major
of the band that played for the dedication ceremony (National Guard
Band.... I'm a slacker and a musician!!!). When you think of the
people going to war in those death traps with those 37mm popguns....
" We are the battling *******s of Bataan... No mama.. No papa... No
Uncle Sam... and nobody gives a damn"....

Walt

31 years of guard service and counting.... after serving in a war
where you had the pleasure of having dog **** thrown at you for coming
home...

On 28 Feb 2004 20:01:29 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:


And while I'm out of your kill-file and you seem enthused enough to
address your own contradictions on such subjects, please remind me of
your personal experience of Geoffrey Chaucer. Or feel free to run
away from that one again if you prefer. I used to think you behaved
like that online for laugh, but I must admit I'm starting to think you
actually aren't that far removed from the more unpleasant side of your
usenet persona. Pity.

PLONK!

That's right, Arthur, run away yet again. The laughable thing is that
this just demonstrates that what you're running away from is the
unwelcome task of confronting your own posted opinions in regard to
yourself. Evidently a man who had the guts to fight at great personal
risk in WW2 doesn't have the guts to apply the same intellectual
standards to himself as he likes to impose upon others on usenet sixty
years later. I find that rather sad.

***********************

From: The Revolution Will Not Be Televised )
Subject: #1 Jet of World War II
View: Complete Thread (286 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Date: 2003-07-05 06:05:45 PST

If you really want to play with your own straw men so much, tell me
about your personal, first-hand knowledge of Geoffrey Chaucer. It's
only right.

Gavin Bailey

You tell me yours. I'll tell you mine.

I have no-first hand experience of Geoffrey Chaucer in person
whatsoever.

Your turn.

Gavin Bailey

**************************

[Silence....]

So, what price all those rants about the supremacy of your direct
experience over those who read books about it again? Or did you
actually participate in late medieval pilgrimages from Bermondsey to
Canterbury yourself then? If not, Arthur Kramer has some interesting
opinions about wannabes such as you.

Gavin Bailey

Homo sapiens has a mean iq of 70. That's the fact.

Wow. Did someone really write that?

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (requires authentication)

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 01:22:20 GMT, Tank Fixer
wrote:

In article ,
on 28 Feb 2004 20:01:29 GMT,
ArtKramr attempted to say .....


PLONK!



A coward to boot...


Not to put too fine a point on it.



greg

--
You do a lot less thundering in the pulpit against the Harlot
after she marches right down the aisle and kicks you in the nuts.

George Ruch wrote:
Mike Marron wrote:

Just thought you should know that this ain't your hometown VFW hall
where old farts like you and Kramer/Autocollimator sit around getting
older and older and better and better.

Jealous because you don't qualify?

Because I fly, I envy no one.

As Art said, Where were you and what did you do?

"Have been reading your website. Great stuff . I have some questions.
We'll do it e-mail. Thanks."

--Art Kramer enjoying a discussion on RAM with "Autocollimator" (e.g:
Art having a discussion with Art....)

In article , Walt Appel says...

Christopher Morton wrote in message
...


There were contingents from west-central Ohio too. If I'm not
mistaken, the drill hall on the Camp Perry training facility (where
the National Shooting Matches are held) is called the Bataan hall. I
think some of the tankers came from Port Clinton, and or Fremont.

There should be a Stuart somewhere around there as well. I think its
one of the early ones held together with rivits. I was the drum major
of the band that played for the dedication ceremony (National Guard
Band.... I'm a slacker and a musician!!!). When you think of the
people going to war in those death traps with those 37mm popguns....
" We are the battling *******s of Bataan... No mama.. No papa... No
Uncle Sam... and nobody gives a damn"....

The guy that I talked to said that they kicked the Japanese tankers' asses
everywhere they met them, until they ran out of gas and ammo. He said what
really hurt them was that they had only AP-shot for AT. He thought that if
they'd had AP-shell, they'd have totally routed them.

The Stuart, is if I remember correctly, behind the covered pistol range, near
the French WWI railroad car display.


--
Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women should have to fistfight with 210lb.
rapists.

From: Cub Driver


Homo sapiens has a mean iq of 70. That's the fact.

Wow. Did someone really write that?

all the best -- Dan Ford

Yes, it was grantland who a) has no concept of bell curves and b) thinks homo
sapiens are everyone nonwhite. Even if he were correct about the second part
the average would still be 100 unless he's using an unknown index.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

From: George Ruch


Mike Marron wrote:

(B2431) wrote:

I didn't say a word to you yet you felt the need to say this?

Just thought you should know that this ain't your hometown VFW hall
where old farts like you and Kramer/Autocollimator sit around getting
older and older and better and better.

Jealous because you don't qualify?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

BFD.

As Art said, Where were you and what did you do?

George Ruch
MSgt, USAF, Ret.


He was sitting warm and safe at home believing his father's war stories made
him knowledgable about the USAF mission. Do a google search on marron and his
accusations that the USAF was responsible for 9/11.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

(B2431) wrote:

From: Cub Driver


Homo sapiens has a mean iq of 70. That's the fact.

Wow. Did someone really write that?

all the best -- Dan Ford

Yes, it was grantland who a) has no concept of bell curves and b) thinks homo
sapiens are everyone nonwhite. Even if he were correct about the second part
the average would still be 100 unless he's using an unknown index.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Nope, and nope. Do a google on African iq.

Grantland