Multiengine Rating

Hi,

i'm interested in the multiengine rating (land), VFR-add-on to my
PP-ASEL.
Any comments about the best training aircraft for these purpose ?
(PA34 Seneca, Beech Duchess, PA44 Seminole, Diamond DA42, ..)

There are big differences concerning the rating requirements.
Some flight schools offer a multi training of 6 hours, other 25 hours
for the rating.

Why it is so ?

Mike

wrote:
Hi,

i'm interested in the multiengine rating (land), VFR-add-on to my
PP-ASEL.
Any comments about the best training aircraft for these purpose ?
(PA34 Seneca, Beech Duchess, PA44 Seminole, Diamond DA42, ..)

There are big differences concerning the rating requirements.
Some flight schools offer a multi training of 6 hours, other 25 hours
for the rating.

Why it is so ?

Are you just going for the rating or do you want to rent/buy a twin.
The insurance time in type required to rent/buy is usually more than
the time it requires to get the rating. If you have the option to
rent/buy one just make sure you get your rating in the same model. For
all practical purposes twins are as if they have a type rating (from
the insurance check out requirements).

-Robert

The hours i mentioned are for the multiengine rating course ... there
are big differences from one school to another ...from 6 to 25 hours
(!!) for the rating.



Are you just going for the rating or do you want to rent/buy a twin.
The insurance time in type required to rent/buy is usually more than
the time it requires to get the rating. If you have the option to
rent/buy one just make sure you get your rating in the same model. For
all practical purposes twins are as if they have a type rating (from
the insurance check out requirements).

-Robert

wrote:
The hours i mentioned are for the multiengine rating course ... there
are big differences from one school to another ...from 6 to 25 hours
(!!) for the rating.

One major difference is if you can rent the planes after the rating.
I'd be surprised if the 6 hour rating school allowed you to solo in the
plane.

-Robert

I expect to get flamed for saying this, but the Duchess and Seminoles are
just trainers, and the Seneca is a real airplane. I have flown a Seminole
(with four onboard) in the tops of a stratus layer, unable to climb into the
clear. From what I read, the DA42 is quite an airplane, but I have no idea
what its cost is compared to others. It, too, is a real airplane as opposed
to a trainer.

Bob Gardner

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Hi,

i'm interested in the multiengine rating (land), VFR-add-on to my
PP-ASEL.
Any comments about the best training aircraft for these purpose ?
(PA34 Seneca, Beech Duchess, PA44 Seminole, Diamond DA42, ..)

There are big differences concerning the rating requirements.
Some flight schools offer a multi training of 6 hours, other 25 hours
for the rating.

Why it is so ?

Mike

The Duchess is just a 4 place airplane, but its
single-engine performance is such that it can legally be
flown under Part 135 IFR rules, the Seminole performance is
such that it can't maintain the MEA on one engine on many
routes.

If I was buying a piston twin, I'd want a BE59TC.



"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
. ..
|I expect to get flamed for saying this, but the Duchess and
Seminoles are
| just trainers, and the Seneca is a real airplane. I have
flown a Seminole
| (with four onboard) in the tops of a stratus layer, unable
to climb into the
| clear. From what I read, the DA42 is quite an airplane,
but I have no idea
| what its cost is compared to others. It, too, is a real
airplane as opposed
| to a trainer.
|
| Bob Gardner
|
| wrote in message
|
oups.com...
| Hi,
|
| i'm interested in the multiengine rating (land),
VFR-add-on to my
| PP-ASEL.
| Any comments about the best training aircraft for these
purpose ?
| (PA34 Seneca, Beech Duchess, PA44 Seminole, Diamond
DA42, ..)
|
| There are big differences concerning the rating
requirements.
| Some flight schools offer a multi training of 6 hours,
other 25 hours
| for the rating.
|
| Why it is so ?
|
| Mike
|
|
|

I'd love to own a 59 Chevy convertible, but I'd rather own a BE58TC!

Karl


"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
...
The Duchess is just a 4 place airplane, but its
single-engine performance is such that it can legally be
flown under Part 135 IFR rules, the Seminole performance is
such that it can't maintain the MEA on one engine on many
routes.

If I was buying a piston twin, I'd want a BE59TC.



"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
. ..
|I expect to get flamed for saying this, but the Duchess and
Seminoles are
| just trainers, and the Seneca is a real airplane. I have
flown a Seminole
| (with four onboard) in the tops of a stratus layer, unable
to climb into the
| clear. From what I read, the DA42 is quite an airplane,
but I have no idea
| what its cost is compared to others. It, too, is a real
airplane as opposed
| to a trainer.
|
| Bob Gardner
|
| wrote in message
|
oups.com...
| Hi,
|
| i'm interested in the multiengine rating (land),
VFR-add-on to my
| PP-ASEL.
| Any comments about the best training aircraft for these
purpose ?
| (PA34 Seneca, Beech Duchess, PA44 Seminole, Diamond
DA42, ..)
|
| There are big differences concerning the rating
requirements.
| Some flight schools offer a multi training of 6 hours,
other 25 hours
| for the rating.
|
| Why it is so ?
|
| Mike
|
|
|

karl gruber wrote

I'd love to own a 59 Chevy convertible, but I'd rather own a BE58TC!

My very first automobile was a brand new '59 Chevy convertible, all
white with a red interior. I was a Naval Aviation Cadet flying S-2
Trackers at NAS Kingsville, TX.

Bob Moore

For those who do not know, the BE58TC is a Beech Baron with
the wings and engines of a 58P but the fuselage of the
straight 58. It has the 6200 pound gross weight and weights
400 pounds less than the 58P. So it carries 400 pounds more
payload and performs very well in the 10-12,000 foot range
without demanding the pilot be on oxygen.

But I'd really like a Duchess on floats with 200-220 hp
engines.



"karl gruber" wrote in message
...
| I'd love to own a 59 Chevy convertible, but I'd rather own
a BE58TC!
|
| Karl
|
|
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| ...
| The Duchess is just a 4 place airplane, but its
| single-engine performance is such that it can legally be
| flown under Part 135 IFR rules, the Seminole performance
is
| such that it can't maintain the MEA on one engine on
many
| routes.
|
| If I was buying a piston twin, I'd want a BE59TC.
|
|
|
| "Bob Gardner" wrote in message
| . ..
| |I expect to get flamed for saying this, but the Duchess
and
| Seminoles are
| | just trainers, and the Seneca is a real airplane. I
have
| flown a Seminole
| | (with four onboard) in the tops of a stratus layer,
unable
| to climb into the
| | clear. From what I read, the DA42 is quite an
airplane,
| but I have no idea
| | what its cost is compared to others. It, too, is a
real
| airplane as opposed
| | to a trainer.
| |
| | Bob Gardner
| |
| | wrote in message
| |
|
oups.com...
| | Hi,
| |
| | i'm interested in the multiengine rating (land),
| VFR-add-on to my
| | PP-ASEL.
| | Any comments about the best training aircraft for
these
| purpose ?
| | (PA34 Seneca, Beech Duchess, PA44 Seminole, Diamond
| DA42, ..)
| |
| | There are big differences concerning the rating
| requirements.
| | Some flight schools offer a multi training of 6
hours,
| other 25 hours
| | for the rating.
| |
| | Why it is so ?
| |
| | Mike
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|

Jim Macklin wrote:
For those who do not know, the BE58TC is a Beech Baron with
the wings and engines of a 58P but the fuselage of the
straight 58. It has the 6200 pound gross weight and weights
400 pounds less than the 58P. So it carries 400 pounds more
payload and performs very well in the 10-12,000 foot range
without demanding the pilot be on oxygen.

But I'd really like a Duchess on floats with 200-220 hp
engines.

Duchess? Floats? cocks head Uuuhhhhh???

IIRC the real speedster of the Baron family was the BE56TC with the
380hp Lycs... although I'm not sure if the 58P might have been a few
ka-nots faster at altitude though.