If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
|
#1
|
|||
|
|||
"Bruce W.1" wrote: But doesn't everbody flying TO/FROM VOR stations cause air traffic problems like near misses (collisions)? Or being aware of this do you just watch the skies very carefully near VOR stations? Or are there altitude guidelines for each radial? Sort of. There are rules defining what the usable altitudes are based on magnetic course being flown. Opposite direction traffic should be at least 500' apart, vertically. This offers no protection, though, for aircraft flying in the same direction or on converging courses that are on the same side of the compass. http://www.faa.gov/ATPUBS/AIM/Chap3/aim0301.html#3-1-5 defines VFR cruising altitudes, which are 1,000' apart. IFR altitudes are 1,000' apart, too, but are 500' above or below VFR altitudes. Above FL290 the IFR cruising altitudes are 2,000' apart. -- Dan C-172RG at BFM |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 18:58:38 GMT, "Bruce W.1" wrote:
You're probably right about the distance. But doesn't everbody flying TO/FROM VOR stations cause air traffic problems like near misses (collisions)? Or being aware of this do you just watch the skies very carefully near VOR stations? Or are there altitude guidelines for each radial? Traffic may be heavier over VORs, and the closer your heading is to due North or South (where the hemisphere[1] rule toggles, the more alert you should be. That said, I've never actually noticed a particularly heavy increase in traffic over VORs. Don [1] Why hemiSPHERE? Semi-circle I could see, but . . . . |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 18:58:38 GMT, "Bruce W.1" wrote in
: : Larry Dighera wrote: You'd be surprised at how little the distance increases on a VOR route compared to a direct route. =============================================== = You're probably right about the distance. But doesn't everbody flying TO/FROM VOR stations cause air traffic problems like near misses (collisions)? Congested airways near VORs can be an issue. But the designers of the VOR airway system had enough insight to separate east and west bound VFR traffic by 1,000' vertically, and IFR traffic from VFR traffic by 500'. But airways, being only 4 nautical miles wide either side of centerline can be congested over VORs. Or being aware of this do you just watch the skies very carefully near VOR stations? Yes. That and ATC Radar Advisory Service are the principal methods used to separate VFR flights on VFR airways. Or are there altitude guidelines for each radial? Nope. Have you spent any time reviewing this: http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/CurrentFARPart!OpenView |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
"Bruce W.1" wrote in message
I'm not a pilot but I have been reading up on VOR stations. And I'm looking for practical information. You can calculate your position by triangulating from two VOR stations. Well, just calculating an intersection. Thhere's always a question or two about this on PPL and CPL exams. How many pilots do this? Or do most just fly between omnis? When you fly cross country do you just fly VOR to VOR, or do you draw a straight line to your destination and constantly triangulate while enroute to see if you are on this line? Very few. A 20.00 GPS is more accurate. Get two, JIC. Is it practical to fly a straight line course? Anybody do this? VFR? Sure. IFR? With GPS, more and more. moo |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
If you purchase an aviation map (Sectional Chart) it will show airways
based on flying from VOR to VOR, and many pilots still use these for navigation even when GPS is on board. In my Instrument Proficiency Checkride last week, the instructor asked me after practicing a bunch of maneuvers to use triangulation to figure out without looking out the window where we were. When I showed him the general area we were located, he asked me to fly to one of the VORs using the 260 degree radial. This required flying north until the needle centered, then turning to 260 degrees. |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
Bruce W.1 wrote:
You can calculate your position by triangulating from two VOR stations. How many pilots do this? Or do most just fly between omnis? When you fly cross country do you just fly VOR to VOR, or do you draw a straight line to your destination and constantly triangulate while enroute to see if you are on this line? When I navigate using the VOR network, I usually go VOR to VOR in congested airspace and straight line for long cross-countries. When traveling straight line, I frequently use the triangulation method to verify my location when there are no good landmarks nearby. I frequently use triangulation to determine the point at which I pass an intersection or waypoint (whether official or otherwise). For example, I may fly one radial from VOR "A" to remain outside the DC ADIZ, but I know that I can change course once I pass the point at which a particular radial of a second VOR crosses that one. In any case, I treat the VOR network as sort of a backup to pilotage (and I treat pilotage as a backup to LORAN/GPS). As Larry pointed out, in most cases, using the airways usually doesn't increase your enroute time all that much over going direct. George Patterson Whosoever bloweth not his own horn, the same shall remain unblown. |
|
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Introduction to a newbie | Shane O | Aerobatics | 9 | December 31st 04 06:13 AM |
A question only a newbie would ask | Peter Duniho | Piloting | 68 | August 18th 04 11:54 PM |
Newbie questions Rail / Ejector launchers | AL | Military Aviation | 19 | November 14th 03 07:47 PM |
Newbie question | Bill Gribble | Soaring | 6 | November 6th 03 07:57 PM |
Basic Stupid Newbie Questions... | John Penta | Military Aviation | 5 | September 19th 03 05:23 PM |