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Old October 2nd 17, 07:24 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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http://www.fai.org/igc-our-sport/handicaps

So many misplaced handicaps its a joke. Whoever came up with this
list was clearly smoking some illegal substance at the time.

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Old October 3rd 17, 08:05 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Monday, 2 October 2017 21:30:07 UTC+3, Paul T wrote:
http://www.fai.org/igc-our-sport/handicaps

So many misplaced handicaps its a joke. Whoever came up with this
list was clearly smoking some illegal substance at the time.


It is a very odd-looking list indeed.
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Old October 3rd 17, 12:57 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 7:30:07 PM UTC+1, Paul T wrote:
http://www.fai.org/igc-our-sport/handicaps

So many misplaced handicaps its a joke. Whoever came up with this
list was clearly smoking some illegal substance at the time.


May be you should read this first

http://static.skysight.io/hc.pdf

Document on how they arrived at the changed Handicaps
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Old October 3rd 17, 02:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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tiistai 3. lokakuuta 2017 14.57.45 UTC+3 Muttley kirjoitti:
On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 7:30:07 PM UTC+1, Paul T wrote:
http://www.fai.org/igc-our-sport/handicaps

So many misplaced handicaps its a joke. Whoever came up with this
list was clearly smoking some illegal substance at the time.


May be you should read this first

http://static.skysight.io/hc.pdf

Document on how they arrived at the changed Handicaps


1. Let's make a fancy computer software and calculate handicaps based on old crappy idaflieg measurements (304 vs. Mosquito!) and weather model.

2. Hmm... Computer generatend handicap spread is too large. Let's make it, shall we say, umm... 70% instead.

3. Done

Very scientific.

If you give a empty list of glider types to 100 competition pilots and ask them to individually write down their opionion of fair handicaps, you can create a averaged list that is fair to everyone (and you will be surprised how everyone will end up with same handicaps). Fair handicaps are actually quite obvious, no reason to use this kind of shoddy pseudoscience.
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Old October 3rd 17, 02:19 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:03:43 AM UTC-4, krasw wrote:
tiistai 3. lokakuuta 2017 14.57.45 UTC+3 Muttley kirjoitti:
On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 7:30:07 PM UTC+1, Paul T wrote:
http://www.fai.org/igc-our-sport/handicaps

So many misplaced handicaps its a joke. Whoever came up with this
list was clearly smoking some illegal substance at the time.


May be you should read this first

http://static.skysight.io/hc.pdf

Document on how they arrived at the changed Handicaps


1. Let's make a fancy computer software and calculate handicaps based on old crappy idaflieg measurements (304 vs. Mosquito!) and weather model.

2. Hmm... Computer generatend handicap spread is too large. Let's make it, shall we say, umm... 70% instead.

3. Done

Very scientific.

If you give a empty list of glider types to 100 competition pilots and ask them to individually write down their opionion of fair handicaps, you can create a averaged list that is fair to everyone (and you will be surprised how everyone will end up with same handicaps). Fair handicaps are actually quite obvious, no reason to use this kind of shoddy pseudoscience.


If the objective is to drive club class to an ASW-20 dominated club class, the exercise should be successful.

best,
Evan Ludeman / T8
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Old October 3rd 17, 02:30 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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1. Let's make a fancy computer software and calculate handicaps based on old crappy idaflieg measurements (304 vs. Mosquito!) and weather model.


What exactly would be crappy with the Idaflieg measurements?
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Old October 3rd 17, 02:39 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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tiistai 3. lokakuuta 2017 16.30.50 UTC+3 Tango Whisky kirjoitti:

1. Let's make a fancy computer software and calculate handicaps based on old crappy idaflieg measurements (304 vs. Mosquito!) and weather model.


What exactly would be crappy with the Idaflieg measurements?


I have no other explanation to 304 vs. Mosquito handicaps. Do you?
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Old October 3rd 17, 04:05 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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To digress, we may never know, but I wonder how similar the new weather model used by the FAI is to the new weather model used by Schempp-Hirth to optimise the new Ventus wing?
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Old October 3rd 17, 04:21 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Le mardi 3 octobre 2017 15:39:20 UTC+2, krasw a √©crit¬*:
tiistai 3. lokakuuta 2017 16.30.50 UTC+3 Tango Whisky kirjoitti:

1. Let's make a fancy computer software and calculate handicaps based on old crappy idaflieg measurements (304 vs. Mosquito!) and weather model.


What exactly would be crappy with the Idaflieg measurements?


I have no other explanation to 304 vs. Mosquito handicaps. Do you?


The Idaflieg measurements involve a massive effort (calibrated reference sailplane, towing both sailplanes early morning high up multiple times, lots of customized measurement electronics and software)and are the most accurate measurements of glider polars you will ever get.

What you then do with the results is another story (which neither bothers nor interests me).
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Old October 3rd 17, 04:52 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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At 11:57 03 October 2017, Muttley wrote:
On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 7:30:07 PM UTC+1, Paul T wrote:
http://www.fai.org/igc-our-sport/handicaps

So many misplaced handicaps its a joke. Whoever came up with

this
list was clearly smoking some illegal substance at the time.


May be you should read this first

http://static.skysight.io/hc.pdf

Document on how they arrived at the changed Handicaps


Read it - 'commonsense gone out of the window' - some of the
anomalies on the list are ludicrous. SZD55 and Crystal less handicap
than an LS4, when they are at least equal to the Discus (some would
say marginally better)? 304 less than Mosqiuto. Mosqiuto higher
handicapped than Mini Nimbus - it's the same wing LS7 handicap
way less than ASW24 etc, ASW19 same as a Cirrus, LSIF higher
than ASW19 and Cirrus etc.etc.

Notice lack of US built gliders that would be in the 'performance
range' for club class not included.

SZD55, Crystal and to lesser extent LS7 seem big winners in this.

Sorry but whoever came up with this handicap list is 'off their
trolley', and that seems the consensus of most experienced pilots so
far.


 




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