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Buying prop strike engine
Bret Ludwig wrote: wrote: Lou wrote: If your going to rebuild anyway, take a look at these. http://www.airboattrader.com/PartsForSale.htm OK, if you're not going to buy a certiifed engine, then what are the pros and cons of buying an airboat engine vs a VW or Corvair conversion? One, the airboaters are getting rid of the LyCon aircraft engines in droves. That should tell you something. Two, VWs are too small to be used as a direct drive airboat plant. A direct drive VW is good only for motorgliders, drones, and the very minimal single seat aircraft. Geared (or belted) VWs might be okay but none are ever seen. Corvairs are proving crank breakers when operated (direct drive) at power levels much over that of the old Pietenpol conversions. The stock VW cranks break too. 'Conversion' implies modification which, at a minimum for VW and Corvair engines would include replacing the crank. That doesn't address any other problems. In my opinion there are only two ways to fly unless you have warbird money: a certified aircraft engine in a certified airframe or a homebuilt with an en-bloc-construction, liquid cooled general purpose engine with belt or gear reduction. VWs, two strokes and the like are just not powerful or dependable enough, noncertified "aircraft" designs like the Jabiru are a worst of both worlds and vastly overpriced scam, and LyCon aircraft engines are overpriced museum pieces if you don't need a certificated engine. Intersting, are there many en-bloc-construction, liquid cooled general purpose engine powered homebuilts flying? (Aircampers for one, right?). -- FF |
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Buying prop strike engine
Runout is not a reliable indicator of damage. The prop may have struck the surface more than once and bent the flange back from the worse position it had been bent to on the first contact. Any bending can crack a crank and the flange will dial OK; I've seen it on a couple of O-200s we used to operate. I had an A-65 crank break in flight between the first and second journals (rearmost and next ahead, the farthest position from the prop) and I have read that these engines tend to break at that spot after a prop strike. Flange runout, of course, would have indicated nothing about the other end of the crank. A propstrike also twists the whole crank (inertia) and cracks can develop at the journal fillets; seen that, too. Runout readings won't tell you everything about twist. The rest of the components, like rods, pistons and gears, get shocked and will often show cracks or deformation. Lycoming has an AD requiring teardown after any sudden reduction in RPM, including contact with "grass, water or similar yielding medium." Seems that the bolt that retains the crank gear on its rear end comes loose and eventually the gear falls off. In flight, of course. The camshaft and everything else stops turning. Dan |
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Buying prop strike engine
Corvairs are proving crank breakers when operated (direct drive) at power levels much over that of the old Pietenpol conversions. Flat out misleading, and shows that good 'ole Brett did not take the time to read the whole story from William Wynne. There are many factors that contribute to the Corvair crank breaks, but a couple are using too long of a crank extension, using too heavy of a prop, and using small props turning too many RPM's on very fast, slick aircraft. If a person is really to want the whole, truthful story, it would be wise to go to William's site, and read the whole story for yourself. Don't take someone else's word on it, and especially not Brett's. Sorry I had to respond to you, fredfighter, but I couldn't let that pass, and I have Brett in the round file, where he belongs. -- Jim in NC |
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Buying prop strike engine
joe wrote:
Then you need to tear it down.???? If its a lycoming you need to tear it down regardless..... AD NOTE joe It's only a service bulletin, not an AD. Both Continental and Lycoming consider a teardown mandatory after a prop strike. |
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no there is an AD note 2004 -10-14 i think that requires it
A few years back lycoming redefined what is a prop strike..... A manufactururer SB does not make anything mandatory for a part 91 operator. An AD note does....... Ron Natalie wrote: joe wrote: Then you need to tear it down.???? If its a lycoming you need to tear it down regardless..... AD NOTE joe It's only a service bulletin, not an AD. Both Continental and Lycoming consider a teardown mandatory after a prop strike. |
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joe wrote:
no there is an AD note 2004 -10-14 i think that requires it A few years back lycoming redefined what is a prop strike..... A manufactururer SB does not make anything mandatory for a part 91 operator. An AD note does....... Ron Natalie wrote: joe wrote: Then you need to tear it down.???? If its a lycoming you need to tear it down regardless..... AD NOTE joe It's only a service bulletin, not an AD. Both Continental and Lycoming consider a teardown mandatory after a prop strike. Read the Lycoming AD/SB carefully. Just because you hit something does not mean you have to do a tear down. Michelle A&P (having read the thing more than once in the last year) |
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Buying prop strike engine
abripl wrote: 1: The prop strike was with a wooden prop or... Some composite props, like IVO, break easy on impact. I had a prop strike with IVO and had the crank magnafluxed. No flange runout or cracks were found. I have a Franklin 6A350 engine (are they more solid?).. It's the aluminum rigid props that are crank killers. You're taking your chances either way. A few years ago I met a guy at a Montana backcountry strip that was taking his wings off and putting his Champ on a flatbed truck. Seems his crank snapped in flight and he was lucky enough to be within gliding distance of a usable strip. He had taxied his plane into a snowbank a few months earlier. It stopped the engine, but hadn't damaged the prop, so he assumed everything was OK. That assumption nearly killed him and his passenger a few months later. Prop damage or flange runout doesn't tell you anything about possible cracks in the crank. John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) |
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If he hadn't run into the snow bank is there a guarantee that the crank was OK? Aren't there faulty cranks for other reasons and it could have been a coincidence? Also did he have an aluminum prop? ...............................Seems his crank snapped in flight and he was lucky enough to be within gliding distance of a usable strip. He had taxied his plane into a snowbank a few months earlier. It stopped the engine, but hadn't damaged the prop, so he assumed everything was OK. That assumption nearly killed him and his passenger a few months later. ... |
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Morgans wrote: Corvairs are proving crank breakers when operated (direct drive) at power levels much over that of the old Pietenpol conversions. Flat out misleading, and shows that good 'ole Brett did not take the time to read the whole story from William Wynne. There are many factors that contribute to the Corvair crank breaks, but a couple are using too long of a crank extension, using too heavy of a prop, and using small props turning too many RPM's on very fast, slick aircraft. If a person is really to want the whole, truthful story, it would be wise to go to William's site, and read the whole story for yourself. Don't take someone else's word on it, and especially not Brett's. I don't claim to be an authority on corvairs or on any other engine. I suggest that the authority on general purpose engines is their designers and therefore one should endeavor to restrict all loads on them to their design application. The marine guys, particularly Kiekhafer with their I/O drives, should be studied long and hard. Notice if you have a prop strike on a marine engine you don't dismantle the engine. Why not? The drive takes those loads. Emulate that. |
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