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Steve Mellenthin ) writes:
-snip- Speaking out against a war takes courage but doing so in a way that encourages the enemy, raises the level of danger to the men still in the line of fire, and denigrates the service record of those who have served is not an act of courage, it is an act of self serving political gratuity. How would you suggest that might be done? Just how would one speak out against the war while simultaneously not encouraging the enemy? Speaking, but doing so so quietly that no one hears? And the best way to reduce the danger level to those still in the line of fire was to get them out of the line of fire as quickly as possible. Especially as the VN conflict was not going to be "won" in any meaningful sense. -- "Cave ab homine unius libri" |
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Regnirps wrote:
Did you ever see anyone come back with a glove caught in the canopy? Nope. Especially not from 50,000'. ; 4 PSI isn't much, but it's all you've got. Jack |
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Regnirps wrote:
They had an automatic landing system. They had ILS, if that's what you mean, but no autopilot. Jack |
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There was one in TAP for about a year for one million, and with hot ejection
seats. I think that was the one I used to see in the hangar in Wichita Falls (SPS). It was blue, and I think one of the ENJJPT IPs was instructing the owner it it. Ron PA-31T Cheyenne II Maharashtra Weather Modification Program Pune, India |
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One of the men from Doolittle's raid who survived Japanese captivity went
back to Japan as a missionary. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired And one of the Japanese participants in Pearl Harbor later became a protestant minister in the US. Ron PA-31T Cheyenne II Maharashtra Weather Modification Program Pune, India |
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Subject: Bush Flew Fighter Jets During Vietnam
From: (Regnirps) Date: 7/16/2004 10:18 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: (ArtKramr) wrote: I don't think we need the Geneva convention to tell us 50 caliber heavy machine guns used against civilians is wrong. Depends on what they are doing at the time. What about a lynch mob after you? -- Charlie Springer Excellant point. 50's for everybody. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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Steve Mellenthin ) writes:
-snip- Speaking out against a war takes courage but doing so in a way that encourages the enemy, raises the level of danger to the men still in the line of fire, and denigrates the service record of those who have served is not an act of courage, it is an act of self serving political gratuity. How would you suggest that might be done? Just how would one speak out against the war while simultaneously not encouraging the enemy? Speaking, but doing so so quietly that no one hears? Certainly not by hanging out with peple who allow themselves to be photgraphed sitting in a piece of AAA that was probably used agaist our forces within 12 hours. And not by making comments about how Americans are committing atrocities in the combat zone, or hurling ones medals at the government only to claim later it was staged. One can disagree or speak out without speaking badly of the people who are still serving and honorably following orders. Would you rather have the military pick and choose their conflicts or follow the orders of the Commander-in-Chief. And the best way to reduce the danger level to those still in the line of fire was to get them out of the line of fire as quickly as possible. Especially as the VN conflict was not going to be "won" in any meaningful sense. -- That had been happening since 1971 and by 72 the only major combat troops were air units blunting the North Vietnamese offensive into the south so it is hard for me personally to see that JFK's actions weren't more for personal political gain than opposition to the was. Just my opinion. |
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"Regnirps" wrote in message ... | | | I'm pretty sure there was a system in the T-38's where you could throw the | panic switch on approah and it did the rest -- provided you met certain | constraints about being lined up right. | | -- Charlie Springer | ....and it's got a convenient yellow handle between the pilot's knees. ;-) Cheers Dave Kearton |
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