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Just last month in Nashville, I met with seven hundred combat aviators
from that conflict who wouldn't urinate on Kerry if he were aflame. Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" Smithsonian Institution Press ISBN #1-58834-103-8 Well is drinking Turpentine first allowed? Ron Tanker 65, C-54E (DC-4) Silver City Tanker Base |
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"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
... I believe I've seen a copy on one posted on the Internet some time ago. The real question is how much influence was exerted by his father the Congressman to get it issued. Well, since his father wasn't a Congressman at the time, the answer has to be, "None". Bush was released after 5 years, 4 months and five days of a six year commitment. If he didn't get special favor, how did that happen? Walt |
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The facts do. Not one person came forward to collect Trudeau's $10,000 as having seen Bush in Alabama. This proves what? People have come forward saying they saw him there. If it were me I wouldn't accept the money. Nobody gets to COLLECT the money. Trudeau was giving it to a charity of his choice. all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com Viva Bush! www.vivabush.org |
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Did you also know that Mr. Kerry also stupidly and recklessly risked his men
and warship to win the medals? Here's the narrative portion of Kerry's fitrep: "In a combat environment often requiring independent, decisive action LTJG (Lieutenant Junior Grade) Kerry was unsurpassed. He constantly reviewed tactics and lessons learned in river operations and applied his experience at every opportunity. On one occasion while in tactical command of a three boat operation his units were taken under fire from ambush. LTJG Kerry rapidly assessed the situation and ordered his units to turn directly into the ambush. This decision resulted in routing the attackers with several enemy KIAs. LTJG Kerry emerges as the acknowledged leader in his peer group. His bearing and appearance are above reproach. He has of his own volition learned the Vietnamese language and is instrumental in the successful Vietnamese training programs. During this period of this report LTJG Kerry has been awarded the Silver Star medal, the Bronze Star medal, the Purple Heart medal (2nd and 3rd awards). 18 Dec 1969" http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp Walt |
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Not one person came forward to collect Trudeau's $10,000 as
having seen Bush in Alabama. At least one did. Trudeau donated the money to the USO. Walt |
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Ah yes, the "vast right wing conspiracy."
Yes. "Donald H. Segretti (born September 17, 1941) was a political operative for the Nixon White House during the 1970s. Segretti ran a campaign of dirty tricks against the Democrats. His actions were part of the larger Watergate Scandal. He went to prison in 1974 after pleading guilty to three misdemeanor counts of distributing illegal campaign literature. A major part of this was a faked letter on Edmund Muskie's letterhead falsely alleging that senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson had had an illegitimate child with a 17-year-old. Segretti was a lawyer — initially a prosecutor for the military and later as a civilian. However, his license was suspended for two years following his conviction. In 1995, he briefly ran for a local judgeship in Orange County, California. He withdrew from the race shortly after his campign received publicity, which awakened lingering anger over his involvement in the scandal." --wikipdeia "It's no accident that Karl Rove was one of Richard Nixon's moles. Using techniques developed by his first mentor, dirty-tricks strategist Donald Segretti, Rove infiltrated Democratic organizations on behalf of Nixon's infamous 1972 campaign. Rove's formidable talents came to the attention of George Bush Senior, then incoming Republican National Committee chairman, and the rest is history. Seven presidential campaigns later, Rove masterminded a deluge of disinformation against John McCain, whose upset victory in New Hampshire had given him a shot at the Republican nomination. Word was spread among South Carolina voters that McCain had fathered a black daughter out of wedlock (McCain had, in fact, adopted a Bangladeshi girl), that McCain was a homosexual, that McCain's wife had a drug problem and so on. Now Rove is masterminding the Bush administration's press strategy, but it's far more than a press strategy. It's the central strategy for how the public understands what George W. Bush is doing to and for America. In an important sense, it is the Bush presidency. Rove's methodology largely explains why Bush's popularity remains strong despite the unremittingly awful economy (mounting job losses, weak profits and a three-year stock-market slide) and despite the shambles of the administration's foreign policy (Osama bin Laden still at large, al-Qaeda as dangerous as ever, North Korea more menacing than ever, Israelis and Palestinians as far away from the bargaining table as ever, anti-Americanism rising across the globe and a pending war in Iraq lacking clear justification)." http://www.prospect.org/print/V14/2/reich-r.html People should be very skeptical of anyone coming forward -now- to support a 30 year old story that the contemporary records do not support. Walt |
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Nobody gets to COLLECT the money. Trudeau was giving it to a charity
of his choice. You wouldn't donate $10,000 to the USO if all you had to do was contact Gary Trudeau with a valid story? Walt |
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Here is a link to where Bush was counseled that failure to perform
adequately in the Guard could result in involuntary call to active duty. http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc23.gif Walt Firstly that document is incomplete. Secondly nowhere does it sound like a LOC. I have written my share of LOCs and the tenor is "you are" not "I am." Thirdly officers are not enlistees. Bush did enlist in the Guard. Per the link that someone provided, he did six weeks of basic. Actually, the link I provided sounds like to sort of boilerplate CYA language that every enlistee would sign. Upon reflection, there's no stigma in signing it, eveyone would sign such a document. Then you couldn't whine that no one ever told you you could be forced onto involuntary active duty. As a WAG I'd say that looks more like a letter one would have to sign prior to entering the Guard. You're right. Walt |
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WalterM140 wrote:
"George Z. Bush" wrote in message ... I believe I've seen a copy on one posted on the Internet some time ago. The real question is how much influence was exerted by his father the Congressman to get it issued. Well, since his father wasn't a Congressman at the time, the answer has to be, "None". Even if he wasn't, that doesn't mean that he threw away the phone numbers of all those people he had influence with when he was in office. That kind of people would still be susceptible to a bit of informal or indirect pressure.....after all, none of them could be sure that an out-of-office congressman might not run for Senator or President some day, and it's always good to have some markers out for past favors given, isn't it. Although he was no longer a congressman in 1973, would you care to guess what position of political influence he occupied at that time? Would you believe "Chairman of the Republican National Committee"? Do you still think nobody would listen when he called? You may think the answer is "none" but politcally less-naive folks would probably welcome the opportunity to argue the point with you. Alas, the world of politics is not filled with Boy Scouts. George Z. |
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