61.56 BFR Whaaaat?

"Æslop" wrote:
Government agencies don't hire
(for the most part) unskilled labor, and far less semi-skilled than
make up the "average" workforce. In my dept, over 50% of employees
have a 4 year degree or higher.

I seem to recall reading once that the highest concentration or PhDs in the
U.S. live in and around Washington DC.

Another place with a high percentage of esteemly degreed people is, I
believe, Wall Street.

And yet somewhere else I recall reading the advice someone made to a man of
no talent that his best bet for making money was to find where said money
is being exchanged and insert himself into the flow.

"Mike Ash" wrote in message
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Dallas wrote:

Government sector jobs are now more than 50% of total employment in this
country and considering benefits, they now make double the average
private
sector salary.

I usually stay out of these discussions but this is just absurd.

50% of total employment and 2x the average private sector salary would
imply that 67% of total salaries in the US are paid to government
employees, and only 33% of total salaries are paid to private employees.

I think he's referring to the latest data that shows government people make
50% more than their private sector counterparts.

I don't know if that includes their benefit packages that only Fortune 500
CEO's get.

Matt

"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
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Mike Ash wrote:
In article ,
Dallas wrote:

Government sector jobs are now more than 50% of total employment in
this country and considering benefits, they now make double the
average private sector salary.

I usually stay out of these discussions but this is just absurd.

50% of total employment and 2x the average private sector salary would
imply that 67% of total salaries in the US are paid to government
employees, and only 33% of total salaries are paid to private
employees.

Just for the record, historical federal income and expenditures are
available he

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy05/hist.html

Obviously not included are state and local taxes (typically income, sales,
and property taxes being the most well known.)

Federal outlays alone accounts for ~19.4% of GDP.


On budget; Off Budget spending is substantially higher.

Matt

In article ,
"Matt Barrow" wrote:

"Mike Ash" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Dallas wrote:

Government sector jobs are now more than 50% of total employment in this
country and considering benefits, they now make double the average
private
sector salary.

I usually stay out of these discussions but this is just absurd.

50% of total employment and 2x the average private sector salary would
imply that 67% of total salaries in the US are paid to government
employees, and only 33% of total salaries are paid to private employees.

I think he's referring to the latest data that shows government people make
50% more than their private sector counterparts.

I don't know if that includes their benefit packages that only Fortune 500
CEO's get.

I can only read what he wrote, I can't read his mind. "50% of total
employment" is quite clear, and it does not mean "make 50% more than
their private sector counterparts".

--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon

In article ,
Jim Logajan wrote:

Mike Ash wrote:
In article ,
Dallas wrote:

Government sector jobs are now more than 50% of total employment in
this country and considering benefits, they now make double the
average private sector salary.

I usually stay out of these discussions but this is just absurd.

50% of total employment and 2x the average private sector salary would
imply that 67% of total salaries in the US are paid to government
employees, and only 33% of total salaries are paid to private
employees.

Just for the record, historical federal income and expenditures are
available he

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy05/hist.html

Obviously not included are state and local taxes (typically income, sales,
and property taxes being the most well known.)

Federal outlays alone accounts for ~19.4% of GDP.

Including such state and local taxes, I think it is reasonable to assume
that government burden approaches a third of GDP - could be even one half.
I leave the actual research on the local government burden to someone who
isn't about to go to bed, as I am. ;-)

Also, because not all U.S. federal government expenditures are on direct
labor to government employees (think all that capital expenditure and use
of private services,) it is plausible (even if it may not be true) to claim
double salary compensation over private sector without having government
salary account for 67% of all salaries, public and private.

I'm not objecting to either individual claim he made, although, the 50%
of total employment figure is clearly wrong all by itself. I am
objecting to the combination of 50% of total employment and 2x average
salary. Put these two claims together and you must necessarily reach 67%
of total salaries going to government workers. It's just simple math.

The obvious conclusion, if the 2x salaries thing is correct, is that the
50% of total employment figure is dead wrong.

What I'm really objecting to, though, is spouting figures which are
obviously nonsensical on their face when you take two minutes to do some
basic analysis. Political discussion is filled with far too much hot air
and not nearly enough thought.

--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon

On Oct 6, 2:56*pm, VOR-DME wrote:


"I am not indeed sure whether it is not true to say that the Milton who
once seemed not unlike a seventeenth-century Shelly had not become out of
an experience ever more bitter in each year, more alien to the founder of
that Jesuit sect which nothing could induce him to tolerate."

So -that's- who wrote the FARs!

"Æslop" wrote

Personally, I could care less what your opinion of gubmint workers is. But
at least get some actual facts instead of just pulling numbers out of your
ass and quoting meaningless stats that you apparently have been unable to
comprehend.

Figures lie and liars figure. You can make statistics prove anything you
want, if your try hard enough.
--
Jim in NC

(who has had his wages frozen for over a third of the 15 years he has been a
teacher. Where does that happen in the private sector?)

On Oct 7, 2:09*pm, Jeffrey Bloss wrote:
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:59:23 -0700 (PDT), C Gattman wrote:

So -that's- who wrote the FARs!

Much better post, Chris, keeping your ass firmly clenched so as to not provide more shame on yourself.

Wow. In your previous post, you told Dallas "That was a fart. It had
to be, it emanated from your ass."

What's it with you and our asses? What are you, 13?

One more for the killfile, I guess...

-c

And with the NPRM about 61 & 91, the FAA is moving to EOM (end of month)
calendars rather than X years (or months) to the day.