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  #11  
Old May 31st 12, 08:23 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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On 5/30/2012 9:38 PM, Ted Parvo wrote:
In ,
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:

In a previous article, Bob said:
However....just Google BD-5J and you will find that there have been
several built and I have personally seen one of fly an aerobatic routine
at an airshow.


However the one Jimenez bought, which he claims on Wikipedia "held the
Guiness record for World's Smallest Jet for more than 25 years" has never
been seen to fly. When I pointed that out on the Talk page for the BD5
entry, he got very angry and claimed that he was going to fly it any day
now, while not denying that it has never flown. He hasn't updated that
assertion since 2006.

Jimenez himself, posting as "Flybd5", is the main source for all the
information about it on Wikipedia, you can take anything it says there
with a massive grain of salt. It is currently listed on his web site as
"for sale", again with no indication that it has ever flown, but that page
hasn't been updated in a very long time. http://bd5.com/my5j.htm


His posting name is why I looked into the BD5, and I stumbled on
something that's not adding up.

If it's never flown, how can it get an aircraft record? Was this claim
used to market the aircraft or designers, based on this specific kit
that never flew?


No-one involved seems eager to answer these questions, and they
shouldn't be. It is a curiosity that the record holder of 25 years
angrily won't, and the issuer of the record claims complete ignorance
of this aircraft, or the BD5. No hits on a search of their site.

If there were a simple answer, I'd have it by now, but there seems to
be no answer at all, and that's just a bit damn weird, as is the
holder of this "record".



Long long ago, far far away,

It WAS true - at one time.
The BD5 was the smallest jet by quite bit.

Before the CriCri showed up...


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Old June 1st 12, 02:56 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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"Richard" wrote in message
m...

Long long ago, far far away,

It WAS true - at one time.
The BD5 was the smallest jet by quite bit.

Before the CriCri showed up...



Richard,

The claim was never that the BD-5J was the smallest Jet. It was that one
particular BD-5J was smaller than all the rest of the BD-5Js. He also
claimed it was smaller than the CriCri jet. Nonsense, of course, but that
was the claim. I don't suppose even Juan would claim that it's smaller than
the nutcase that strapped a couple of jets to his ankles and jumped out of a
perfectly good airplane.

Rich



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Old June 1st 12, 06:19 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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On 05/31/2012 06:56 PM, Richard Isakson wrote:
"Richard" wrote in message
m...

Long long ago, far far away,

It WAS true - at one time.
The BD5 was the smallest jet by quite bit.

Before the CriCri showed up...



Richard,

The claim was never that the BD-5J was the smallest Jet. It was that one
particular BD-5J was smaller than all the rest of the BD-5Js. He also
claimed it was smaller than the CriCri jet. Nonsense, of course, but
that was the claim.


Juan said that the BD5J is smaller than the CriCri because it has a
shorter fuselage.
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Old June 2nd 12, 05:11 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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..
It WAS true - at one time.
The BD5 was the smallest jet by quite bit.

Before the CriCri showed up...


Must have been about nine or ten years ago, someone's
BD-5J performed at an Armed Forces Day air show
at Whidbey Island Naval Air Station.
I think the show moderator called it the World's smallest
Jet, but memory is a fragile thing.
I think I have pictures somewhere, but darned computer
won't cough 'em up.

Old Chief Lynn
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Old June 2nd 12, 02:31 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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Old Chief Lynn,

You name is familiar.

Old B/N Wayne
VAH-10, VAH-123, VA-196, VA-128, VA-115


"coffelt2" wrote in message
...

..
It WAS true - at one time.
The BD5 was the smallest jet by quite bit.

Before the CriCri showed up...


Must have been about nine or ten years ago, someone's
BD-5J performed at an Armed Forces Day air show
at Whidbey Island Naval Air Station.
I think the show moderator called it the World's smallest
Jet, but memory is a fragile thing.
I think I have pictures somewhere, but darned computer
won't cough 'em up.

Old Chief Lynn


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Old June 3rd 12, 04:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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In article ,
Ted Parvo wrote:

If it's never flown, how can it get an aircraft record? Was this claim
used to market the aircraft or designers, based on this specific kit
that never flew?


Many BD-5Js _did_ fly. Mr Jiminez just never flew the one he bought.

No-one involved seems eager to answer these questions, and they
shouldn't be. It is a curiosity that the record holder of 25 years
angrily won't,


No surprise there. Jiminez was *NOT* the owner of the record-holding aircraft
for most of that time. He bought it from the original owner in 2004, and
never flew it.o

Further, the 1988-built, twin-jet powered Cri-Cri of Nicolas Charmont
weighs in (the Guiness measurement criteria for 'smallest'), at just over
*half* the weight of Mr. Jiminez's plane.

The Wikipedia article "Bede_BD-5' is reasonably accurate.

and the issuer of the record claims complete ignorance
of this aircraft, or the BD5. No hits on a search of their site.


Dunno where you were looking, I found:
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records-1000/smallest-aircraft,-jet-aircraft/
referenced in the Wikipedia article above. It loads.

A Guiness site search for 'smallest jet' produces a link -- which appears
like it is intended to connect to the above page, but the link is defective.
{a 'coding' error by the site maintainer}

A site search for 'BD-5' also produces the same defective link.

If there were a simple answer, I'd have it by now, but there seems to
be no answer at all, and that's just a bit damn weird, as is the
holder of this "record".


The Cri-Cri, designed by Michael Columbian, as built by Nicolas Charmont
using two jet engines (tail number F-PZPR) in _1988_, handily beats Jiminez's
BD-5 as the 'worlds smallest jet', by weight -- the criteria for the Guiness
rating -- at 80kg, vs Jiminez's plane at 162kg.

As this Cri-Cri was built 16 years _before_ Jiminez 'claimed' the record,
the only reason Jiminez's pseudo-record exists is that neither Mr. Columbian,
of the original Cri-Cri, nor Mr. Charmont, the jet-engined builder, have
bothered to notify Guiness.

'a bit damn weird' is a gross understatement! If the name "Jim Campbell"
means anything to you, Jiminez is/was one of his cronies/lap-dogs. And even
_less_ reliable.
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Old June 10th 12, 03:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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On Jun 9, 2:08*am, Paul Saccani wrote:
On Sun, 27 May 2012 10:33:57 -0700 (PDT), Ted Parvo





wrote:
I'm looking for *verification for a claimed Guinness World Record for
World's smallest jet aircraft. A BD5.


The link on the Guinness site has not worked for months. I have
contacted them, and through email exchanges, their representative has
indicated they have no knowledge of this aircraft


The person claiming the record, a guy by the name of Juan Jimenez, has
informed me that the reason I cannot find the record is because I
"have the IQ of a pin", and do not know "which database to search".


I am quite sure I have searched the "correct database", and reasonably
sure the people at Guinness know their own database and how to search
it, but the final response to detailed questions about this BD5 is
that they have no knowledge of it.


Can anyone in this forum shed light on this discrepancy?


If you check the following URL,

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/...smallest-aircr...

it lists the following; Juan Jimenez, Smallest Jet Aircraft, United
States, 1 Jan 2004.

"The smallest jet aircraft is the home-built Bede BD-5J Microjet owned
by Juan Jimenez of San Juan, Puerto Rico, USA, which weighs 162 kg
(358 lb), is 3.7 m (12 ft) long, has a 5.7 m (17 ft) wingspan, and can
fly at 483 km/h (300 mph).

There are actually several hundred BD-5 aircraft flying, produced and
sold in kit form by the Bede aircraft company. However, this is the
smallest (by weight) jet engined example."

Which is, of course, quite wrong. as the Cri-Cri MC15J is both smaller
and lighter, its MTOW being only 8 kg heavier than the empty weight of
the supposed "record" holder.

Nonetheless, it would seem true that he has a Guinness World Record,
though of course, it isn't the real record.
--
Cheers,
Paul Saccani
Perth, Western Australia.


I recall the long discussion of Jaun and that airplane. IIRC he never
flew it. Could be wrong.

I wonder what ever happened to the nut.

Harry K
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Old July 1st 12, 01:07 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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On Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:03:49 AM UTC-4, Harry K wrote:

I wonder what ever happened to the nut.

Harry K


Right here, K-boi, laughing at all the jealous fools who will never achieve what I have accomplished. The claim that the CriCri is smaller than the BD-5J has been laughed at for years. If it were true, =anyone= who owns/owned one could have applied for the record. So sad for all you dweebs that the record must be claimed by weight =and= size, and the CriCri is longer than the BD-5J by almost a foot, and that's why the BD-5J has held the record for more than 30 years now.

And about PeeWee Parvo, let's just say he's just another of the garden-variety mental-midget nip-at-the-heels trolls over in one of the Texas newsgroups, where I bitchslap them every day for cheap entertainment. The chump thought that a web site problem that was affecting quite a few records and was preventing mine from showing up somehow meant Guinness had no knowledge of my record. Suffice to say that he tucked his tail and never came back here after this entry started working again, among many others.

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/...t-jet-aircraft

And with that, I'll leave you boys to whine and stomp and cry to mama. Cya.
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Old July 1st 12, 02:51 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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In article ,
wrote:

On Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:03:49 AM UTC-4, Harry K wrote:

I wonder what ever happened to the nut.

Harry K


Right here, K-boi, laughing at all the jealous fools who will never achieve
what I have accomplished. The claim that the CriCri is smaller than the BD-5J
has been laughed at for years. If it were true, =anyone= who owns/owned one
could have applied for the record. So sad for all you dweebs that the record
must be claimed by weight =and= size, and the CriCri is longer than the BD-5J
by almost a foot, and that's why the BD-5J has held the record for more than
30 years now.

And about PeeWee Parvo, let's just say he's just another of the
garden-variety mental-midget nip-at-the-heels trolls over in one of the Texas
newsgroups, where I bitchslap them every day for cheap entertainment. The
chump thought that a web site problem that was affecting quite a few records
and was preventing mine from showing up somehow meant Guinness had no
knowledge of my record. Suffice to say that he tucked his tail and never came
back here after this entry started working again, among many others.

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/...aircraft-jet-a
ircraft

And with that, I'll leave you boys to whine and stomp and cry to mama. Cya.



Has this jet ever been flown?
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Old July 2nd 12, 05:48 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:51:17 -0700, parvomon wrote:

In article ,
wrote:

On Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:03:49 AM UTC-4, Harry K wrote:

I wonder what ever happened to the nut.

Harry K


Right here, K-boi, laughing at all the jealous fools who will never
achieve what I have accomplished. The claim that the CriCri is smaller
than the BD-5J has been laughed at for years. If it were true, =anyone=
who owns/owned one could have applied for the record. So sad for all
you dweebs that the record must be claimed by weight =and= size, and
the CriCri is longer than the BD-5J by almost a foot, and that's why
the BD-5J has held the record for more than 30 years now.

And about PeeWee Parvo, let's just say he's just another of the
garden-variety mental-midget nip-at-the-heels trolls over in one of the
Texas newsgroups, where I bitchslap them every day for cheap
entertainment. The chump thought that a web site problem that was
affecting quite a few records and was preventing mine from showing up
somehow meant Guinness had no knowledge of my record. Suffice to say
that he tucked his tail and never came back here after this entry
started working again, among many others.

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/...1000/smallest-

aircraft-jet-a
ircraft

And with that, I'll leave you boys to whine and stomp and cry to mama.
Cya.



Has this jet ever been flown?


I have discovered that it is impossible to reason with him.
He evades logic and throws out taunts when he has no other answer.

He has been in my kill file for years.
 




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