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"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message ups.com... Just you wait until health care is free!!! I am assuming your trying to say that health care will get worse if it becomes free. Well, in that case you are arguing against your own point. NACO charts are free. It is like free medical care. It is a great system and works wonderfully. It has inspired many products and services that don't exist in countries that have user fees. User fees will wipe all of them except the big ones (like Jepp) and service will deteriorate. An example would be...? |
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"Mitty" wrote in message ... You know, the thread was about plates. Maybe you could consider moving to someplace like alt.peoplewithoutlives or rec.politicalcrap with your postings? It would really improve the atmosphere around here. The best way to improve the atmosphere is for you to commit suicide, you clueless puke. |
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Matt Whiting wrote:
Andrew Sarangan wrote: NACO charts are free. It is like free medical care. It is a great system and works wonderfully. It has inspired many products and services that don't exist in countries that have user fees. User fees will wipe all of them except the big ones (like Jepp) and service will deteriorate. Nothing is free. NACO charts are simply paid for from general revenue from taxes rather than a separate fee. Same with healthcare in countries where it isn't a fee-based system. Just look at their tax structures... Matt Nonetheless, a lot of people in this country think such things are free. In some sense the charts are "free," because the pilot flies his airplane (which probably cost more than most folks cars) using charts paid for mostly by taxpayers who don't pilot aircraft. |
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Sam Spade wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote: Andrew Sarangan wrote: NACO charts are free. It is like free medical care. It is a great system and works wonderfully. It has inspired many products and services that don't exist in countries that have user fees. User fees will wipe all of them except the big ones (like Jepp) and service will deteriorate. Nothing is free. NACO charts are simply paid for from general revenue from taxes rather than a separate fee. Same with healthcare in countries where it isn't a fee-based system. Just look at their tax structures... Matt Nonetheless, a lot of people in this country think such things are free. In some sense the charts are "free," because the pilot flies his airplane (which probably cost more than most folks cars) using charts paid for mostly by taxpayers who don't pilot aircraft. I have no idea if that is true or not. I believe that AOPA has made some credible arguments in the past that GA pays its way pretty well with the fuel taxes we pay, but I can't find anything at the moment one way or the other on this front. Matt |
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Paul Tomblin wrote: In a previous article, "Andrew Sarangan" said: And, if/when users fees take root, those NACO charts will no longer be free. That's a good point I never thought about. The biggest difference between the Canadian user fee-based system and the U.S. is the free availablility of charts. This has made possible a number of aviation technologies, such as laptop/PDA based charts and moving maps, Airnav etc and a huge number of online services. As far as I know, such things At one time, you could order Canadian digital data from Energy Mines and Resources Canada much like you can from the FAA. That went away when NavCanada took over. don't exist in Canada. Charts are very expensive and not readily available. A U.S. pilot who is used to online products will find it very difficult to fly in Canada (I did). On the other hand, when I forgot to bring my low altitude en-route chart on a trip to Ottawa, I just walked into a map store in downtown Ottawa and bought a new one. Try doing *that* in most US cities. I fly to Canada often enough that I subscribe to the charts from NavCanada. A year's worth of Canada Flight Supplements costs about as much as two would cost you in Canada, or about what one would cost you from Sporties. I don't fly to Canada enough to justify a subscription. Heck, I don't even have a U.S subscription. I normally don't think about the flight until a couple of days before, and in many cases the night before. As a result I had to fly many times in Canada with expired charts. If I don't have the U.S. charts, all I need is an internet access, even if it is 1am on a Sunday morning. Try that in downtown Ottawa. I know because I lived in Ottawa for several years as a graduate student. |
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Matt Whiting wrote:
Sam Spade wrote: Matt Whiting wrote: Andrew Sarangan wrote: NACO charts are free. It is like free medical care. It is a great system and works wonderfully. It has inspired many products and services that don't exist in countries that have user fees. User fees will wipe all of them except the big ones (like Jepp) and service will deteriorate. Nothing is free. NACO charts are simply paid for from general revenue from taxes rather than a separate fee. Same with healthcare in countries where it isn't a fee-based system. Just look at their tax structures... Matt Nonetheless, a lot of people in this country think such things are free. In some sense the charts are "free," because the pilot flies his airplane (which probably cost more than most folks cars) using charts paid for mostly by taxpayers who don't pilot aircraft. I have no idea if that is true or not. I believe that AOPA has made some credible arguments in the past that GA pays its way pretty well with the fuel taxes we pay, but I can't find anything at the moment one way or the other on this front. Matt When Phil Boyer makes those statements he is speaking in terms of ATC and FSS services. I doubt AOPA's bean counters have even considered NACO chart services. My cursory view is that no one in aviation is paying the full costs of the FAA, including ATC and all the other activities of the FAA. The place is really, really burdened with lots of high salaries, lots of bloated, inefficent contracts, and not very good productivity. |
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Sam Spade wrote: When Phil Boyer makes those statements he is speaking in terms of ATC and FSS services. I doubt AOPA's bean counters have even considered NACO chart services. Aren't the DOD charts damn similar to the NACO ones? Doesn't that mean that there is some sharing of money and manpower between FAA and DOD? |
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The FAA and ATC exist to serve the military. The airlines
are a justification on the budget. GA is forced to use ATC because in the past 50-60 years the FAA expanded the scope of controlled airspace to be everywhere. 25 years ago there were large areas that were uncontrolled below 14.500 feet. wrote in message ps.com... | | Sam Spade wrote: | | When Phil Boyer makes those statements he is speaking in terms of ATC | and FSS services. I doubt AOPA's bean counters have even considered | NACO chart services. | | | Aren't the DOD charts damn similar to the NACO ones? Doesn't that mean | that there is some sharing of money and manpower between FAA and DOD? | |
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"Jim Macklin" wrote: The FAA and ATC exist to serve the military. The airlines are a justification on the budget. GA is forced to use ATC because in the past 50-60 years the FAA expanded the scope of controlled airspace to be everywhere. 25 years ago there were large areas that were uncontrolled below 14.500 feet. where do you come up with this? -- Bob Noel Looking for a sig the lawyers will hate |
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