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Towing a single place glider trailer with a Ford Ranger or ChevyS-10
Pete Smith wrote:
this is a joke right? Perhaps you are unaware that Americans tend use large vehicles not particularly well designed for towing? various cars i have used to tow a single seater http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peugeot_205 1.4 petrol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_Saxo 1.1 Petrol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_Punto 1.9 diesel All towing at 60mph+ In defense of our proclivity towards oversized vehicles... I'm not sure which part you think is a joke, but what would be humorous would be the adventure you'd have with the Peugeot crossing Nevada (350 miles in the short direction) in the summer (10,000 foot density altitude) at 90-100 deg F temperatures (typical). If the Peugeot doesn't have air conditioning, that "60+ mph" would make the trip seem like a lifetime in Hell. If the original poster is planning on towing his glider around Florida, there are many choices that would be suitable, but for Nevada - not so many. -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA * Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly * "Transponders in Sailplanes" http://tinyurl.com/y739x4 * Sections on Mode S, TPAS, ADS-B, Flarm, more * "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org |
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Towing a single place glider trailer with a Ford Ranger or ChevyS-10
Eric Greenwell wrote:
I'm not sure which part you think is a joke, but what would be humorous would be the adventure you'd have with the Peugeot crossing Nevada (350 miles in the short direction) in the summer (10,000 foot density altitude) at 90-100 deg F temperatures (typical). If the Peugeot doesn't have air conditioning, that "60+ mph" would make the trip seem like a lifetime in Hell. I crossed the alps more than once with comparable cars towing a single seater. Admittedly not at 37°C and without air conditioner. And neither at 100km/h, at least not uphill. While a Peugeot 205 may be a little bit on the edge, any reasonably modern car in the 2L class does the trick pretty comfortably, most even with a two seater attached. |
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Towing a single place glider trailer with a Ford Ranger or ChevyS-10
On Apr 29, 10:54*am, John Smith wrote:
Eric Greenwell wrote: I'm not sure which part you think is a joke, but what would be humorous would be the adventure you'd have with the Peugeot crossing Nevada (350 miles in the short direction) in the summer (10,000 foot density altitude) at 90-100 deg F temperatures (typical). If the Peugeot doesn't have air conditioning, that "60+ mph" would make the trip seem like a lifetime in Hell. I crossed the alps more than once with comparable cars towing a single seater. Admittedly not at 37°C and without air conditioner. And neither at 100km/h, at least not uphill. While a Peugeot 205 may be a little bit on the edge, any reasonably modern car in the 2L class does the trick pretty comfortably, most even with a two seater attached. Also, speeds in excess of 80mph/129kph are not terribly uncommon (by some) here on interstates etc... -Paul |
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Towing a single place glider trailer with a Ford Ranger or Chevy S-10
My 1.8 TDi Ford Focus tows my Standard Cirrus quite happily, and returns 38
MPG whilst doing it At 17:54 29 April 2009, John Smith wrote: Eric Greenwell wrote: I'm not sure which part you think is a joke, but what would be humorous would be the adventure you'd have with the Peugeot crossing Nevada (350 miles in the short direction) in the summer (10,000 foot density altitude) at 90-100 deg F temperatures (typical). If the Peugeot doesn't have air conditioning, that "60+ mph" would make the trip seem like a lifetime in Hell. I crossed the alps more than once with comparable cars towing a single seater. Admittedly not at 37°C and without air conditioner. And neither at 100km/h, at least not uphill. While a Peugeot 205 may be a little bit on the edge, any reasonably modern car in the 2L class does the trick pretty comfortably, most even with a two seater attached. |
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Towing a single place glider trailer with a Ford Ranger or Chevy S-10
At 12:00 29 April 2009, Pete Smith wrote:
this is a joke right? Probably not! The people on the West side of the Altlantic are reluctant to tow with anything that doesn't weigh at least 3 tons with a huge V8 engine! No wonder we are suffering from global warming! Makes you wonder how we cope with the small cars we have in the UK and Europe! I tow with a 1.6 litre turbocharged diesel estate BTW, including big heavy two seater K21 and DG1000 trailers. Derek Copeland |
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Towing a single place glider trailer with a Ford Ranger or ChevyS-10
Del C wrote:
At 12:00 29 April 2009, Pete Smith wrote: this is a joke right? Probably not! The people on the West side of the Altlantic are reluctant to tow with anything that doesn't weigh at least 3 tons with a huge V8 engine! Not all of us. I tow a LAK-12 with factory trailer behind my little PT Cruiser (2.4L 4-cyl non-turbo). 2000 pound trailer + 800 pound glider + 200 pounds of stuff = about 3000 pounds total. Although I will admit to not having tried serious mountain towing and I try to keep it under 70 mph. No wonder we are suffering from global warming! Right! During the last ice age we had to do a *lot* of towing with our V8s to get those darn glaciers to melt some. -Doug Hoffman West side Atlantic dweller Makes you wonder how we cope with the small cars we have in the UK and Europe! I tow with a 1.6 litre turbocharged diesel estate BTW, including big heavy two seater K21 and DG1000 trailers. Derek Copeland |
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Towing a single place glider trailer with a Ford Ranger or ChevyS-10
Not all of us. *I tow a LAK-12 with factory trailer behind my little PT
Cruiser (2.4L 4-cyl non-turbo). *2000 pound trailer + 800 pound glider + 200 pounds of stuff = about 3000 pounds total. *Although I will admit to not having tried serious mountain towing and I try to keep it under 70 mph. OMG!!! You tow a LAK-12 trailer with a PT cruiser!! I briefly owned a LAK-12 and I gotta say that trailer is an ornery beast due to single piece wings on a 20 meter ship. The trailer is as big as a racquetball court. And what a beautiful ship the LAK-12 is. The trailer has a very high profile I think so it can navigate polish muddy farm fields and is so long that it dwarfs other trailers at the airfield. I'd be afraid it would get a mind of it's own on tow and decide it was going to make the decisions about where it was going. But with an attentive driver going slowly, aware of winds etc. you could tow just about any ship I'd think... |
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Towing a single place glider trailer with a Ford Ranger or ChevyS-10
It's worth noting that for a fully loaded semi, the tractor weighs
only ~ 18% of the total (15,000 lbs vs 80,000 lbs). Stability comes from the fact that the weight of the trailer is carried just ahead of center between the two drive axles insuring weight on the steering axle for directional control and braking. All things being equal, proper weight distribution and good vehicle dynamics are more important than the overall heft of the tow vehicle. All things are rarely equal though and a heavy tow vehicle will compensate, to some extent, for lousy weight distribution and poor vehicle design. This is why I choose to tow with a V8 pickup. I do feel guilty about the fuel burn but, so far, the perceived advantages of the heavy vehicle win out. Did I mention that the pickup is paid for...... Ray Warshaw 1LK |
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Towing a single place glider trailer with a Ford Ranger or ChevyS-10
I can hardly tell that my 1-35 on an enclosed trailer (1350 lbs) is
behind me with my Subaru Legacy. My wife's Toyota Corolla pulls it just fine, but it's a bit slow on 3% hills. A twin Grob in a Cobra trailer is noticable however, especially in crosswinds, since the passenger car radial tires let it develop a sway. I wouldn't think of trying it with the Toyota. AGL |
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