For Keith Willshaw...

In article ,
on 11 Jun 2004 04:53:45 GMT,
Denyav attempted to say .....

US engagement in WW2 was in response to an attack just before a declaration
of war by Japan and another attack just after a declaration of war by
Germany.


1)If you read some history,you must know that FDR was very eager for US
engagement.
2)If you read history you must also know that that FDR promised the nation not
enter war unless attacked (a requirement of domestic politics)

A solution to satisfy two contradictionary requirements=The Pearl Harbor trap


The hole in your argument is a ship called the USS Ruben James.

Go look her up and get back to us.


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When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

Denyav twisted the electrons to say:
2)If you read history you must also know that that FDR promised the
nation not enter war unless attacked (a requirement of domestic
politics)

A solution to satisfy two contradictionary requirements =
The Pearl Harbor trap

So, if we where to accept your premise that the White House knew not only
that the Japanese where coming but also the day they would be "arriving",
why not warn Pearl Harbour? After all, if you're planning on joining a
war it's generally considered an advantage not to lose large amounts of
men and equipment on day 1!

No need to sortie the fleet if you still want a "sneak attack", just get
them placed on alert - ie: all anti-aircraft guns manned and ready and a
decent CAP (with the rest of the fighters on +5/+15) overhead.
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These opinions might not even be mine ...
Let alone connected with my employer ...

Scarcely old boy. Britain is one of the 6 leading trading
nations, one of the 5 permanent members of the security
council and has of late rather discomfited France and Germany
by winning the support of many of the other EU nations, especially
the new members from eastern europe who for historical reasons are

Just a question:
was Britain a part of "original" Roman empire?.
Every country that was part of the "original" will also be part of
resurrected Roman empire.period.

"Denyav" wrote in message
...
Scarcely old boy. Britain is one of the 6 leading trading
nations, one of the 5 permanent members of the security
council and has of late rather discomfited France and Germany
by winning the support of many of the other EU nations, especially
the new members from eastern europe who for historical reasons are

Just a question:
was Britain a part of "original" Roman empire?.
Every country that was part of the "original" will also be
part of
resurrected Roman empire.period.


Denyav trips farther out into Lala Land.

Keith




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On 6 Jun 2004 02:40:18 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote:

http://www.corax.org/revisionism/doc...n_secrets.html

Here's a 1946 look at the German wartime secrets- just a "fraction" of
the thousands of tons of technical documents stored at Wright Field.
Have fun being in denial.
And to make matters worse, Keith 'ol boy, poor Britain won the war yet
could not afford to develop the massive amount of advanced technology
provided by defeated Germany... because the British Govt. was indebted
to the US for decades afterwards and whatever excellent programs the
Brits did manage to propose were all shut down by your own MPs.
Britain could have very well challenged the US in both aviation and
space if they had won the war as a rich nation. Instead, lowly Britain
(due to German aggression- smile ) lost its superpower status and
most of her colonies postwar!
Your nation is now reduced to a US puppet and after the EU fully
unifies just a servant of the Continental powers- Germany and France.
Poetic justice for "the sun never sets on the British Empire".

Rob

Using a Neo-Nazi holocaust denying web site as a source makes
your argument here even more ridiculous than your regular rants.
Did you think that the denizens of this group were so stupid that we
would not look at that site for what it is?

Al Minyard

robert arndt wrote:
[... snip rant...]

Your nation is now reduced to a US puppet and after the EU fully
unifies just a servant of the Continental powers- Germany and France.
Poetic justice for "the sun never sets on the British Empire".

Politically, it might sometimes appear to act like a "US puppet", but
given that the dollar is at al all-time low against the pound and
getting weaker by the day, Britain must be doing something better than
the States.

Oh, and the reason that the "sun never sets on the British Empire" was
because even God didn't trust and Englishman in the dark :-)

-- Darrell

On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 17:19:28 GMT, Darrell Earnshaw wrote:

robert arndt wrote:
[... snip rant...]

Your nation is now reduced to a US puppet and after the EU fully
unifies just a servant of the Continental powers- Germany and France.
Poetic justice for "the sun never sets on the British Empire".

Politically, it might sometimes appear to act like a "US puppet", but
given that the dollar is at al all-time low against the pound and
getting weaker by the day, Britain must be doing something better than
the States.

Oh, and the reason that the "sun never sets on the British Empire" was
because even God didn't trust and Englishman in the dark :-)

-- Darrell

I suggest that you do a bit of research before making such silly statements.
The Pound Sterling is far, far below its historic level..

Al Minyard

given that the dollar is at al all-time low against the pound and
getting weaker by the day, Britain must be doing something better than
the States.

An all-time low? When I was a student at Manchester, the exchange rate
was $2.40. Not too many years earlier it was $5.00.

Exchange rates have little to do with what one country is doing better
than another. Else why does China peg the yuan to the dollar?

The dollar goes up, the dollar goes down. The pound has actually
strengthened against the euro, while the euro has strengthened less
dramatically against the dollar. It was issued a few years ago at an
exchange rate of $1.18. Now it is $1.20. Big deal, except to European
auto manufacturers who want to sell their cars in the U.S. (Britain of
course has none on offer.)

all the best -- Dan Ford
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Cub Driver wrote:

An all-time low? When I was a student at Manchester, the exchange rate
was $2.40. Not too many years earlier it was $5.00.

I stand corrected - sorry.

Subject: For Keith Willshaw...
From: Darrell Earnshaw ve
Date: 6/7/04 9:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

Cub Driver wrote:

An all-time low? When I was a student at Manchester, the exchange rate
was $2.40. Not too many years earlier it was $5.00.

I stand corrected - sorry.



It was $5.00 all through WW II.


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