Experimentals To Be Banned To Rural Airports?

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By definition, experimental aircraft have unknown characteristics. It makes
sense that you'd want to test them out away from heavily populated areas.
Boeing and other civilian and military manufacturers don't test out their new
designs at LAX.

In rec.aviation.owning Mxsmanic wrote:
By definition, experimental aircraft have unknown characteristics. It makes
sense that you'd want to test them out away from heavily populated areas.
Boeing and other civilian and military manufacturers don't test out their new
designs at LAX.

Uttern nonsense.

You haven't a clue what "experimental" means.


--
Jim Pennino

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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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By definition, experimental aircraft have unknown characteristics. It
makes
sense that you'd want to test them out away from heavily populated areas.
Boeing and other civilian and military manufacturers don't test out their
new
designs at LAX.


First an "experimental" aircraft in aviation talk is just another
classification. The characteristics may be well known and just doesn't fit
into any other class.

Secondly, I have personally flown a number of experimental Boeing aircraft
into LAX when I worked for the flight test group there. I believe B747-100
s/n 1 is still classified as experimental. And I flew B401, 2 and 3 (the
first 3 747-400 designated a/c). They too were classified as experimental
and flew into a lot of large airports with heavy population.

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Regards, Bob F.

on 8/28/2008 7:08 PM Bob F. said the following:
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
By definition, experimental aircraft have unknown characteristics. It
makes
sense that you'd want to test them out away from heavily populated areas.
Boeing and other civilian and military manufacturers don't test out
their new
designs at LAX.


First an "experimental" aircraft in aviation talk is just another
classification. The characteristics may be well known and just doesn't
fit into any other class.

Secondly, I have personally flown a number of experimental Boeing
aircraft into LAX when I worked for the flight test group there. I
believe B747-100 s/n 1 is still classified as experimental. And I flew
B401, 2 and 3 (the first 3 747-400 designated a/c). They too were
classified as experimental and flew into a lot of large airports with
heavy population.

Another epic fail for Anthony...

Bob F. writes:

First an "experimental" aircraft in aviation talk is just another
classification. The characteristics may be well known and just doesn't fit
into any other class.

My impression is that many aircraft are called experimental in order to get
around certain troublesome regulations.

Secondly, I have personally flown a number of experimental Boeing aircraft
into LAX when I worked for the flight test group there. I believe B747-100
s/n 1 is still classified as experimental. And I flew B401, 2 and 3 (the
first 3 747-400 designated a/c). They too were classified as experimental
and flew into a lot of large airports with heavy population.

How many hours had they flown elsewhere before they visited those large
airports?

In rec.aviation.owning Mxsmanic wrote:
Bob F. writes:

First an "experimental" aircraft in aviation talk is just another
classification. The characteristics may be well known and just doesn't fit
into any other class.

My impression is that many aircraft are called experimental in order to get
around certain troublesome regulations.

And your "impression" is wrong.

It does not mean the airplane is "experimental" in the sense of being
unknown, new, or unproven, nor does it mean that it is home built.

All experimental means is that the manufacturer, whoever that may be,
didn't go through the process to certify the aircraft in one of the
other catagories with the FAA.

The Anatov AN-2 has been made for about 50 years by several former
Soviet block countries, has been used the world over for everything from
transport, military, and airline use, and is probably the most produced
aircraft in history.

Since the Soviet countries had no interest in certifying their aircraft
with the FAA and there were no reciprocal agreements as there are with
some other countries, guess what it is registered as if you buy one and
register it in the US?


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Jim Pennino

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In rec.aviation.owning Mxsmanic wrote:

My impression is that many aircraft are called experimental in order to get
around certain troublesome regulations.

And your "impression" is wrong.

Exactly so.

All experimental means is that the manufacturer, whoever that may be,
didn't go through the process to certify the aircraft in one of the
other catagories with the FAA.

Yep. Newly developed aircraft that haven't yet been put into
production, (hint: 777 Freighter, 787, other new types and derivatives)
but are about to enter flight test, all fly as experimental aircraft
during flight test. And only the wildly delusional and stupid believe
that a company like, say, Boeing, is trying to "get around certain
troublesome regulations." This is true for other aircraft manufacturers
as well, particularly in the USA.

The Anatov AN-2 [...] guess what it is registered as if you buy one and
register it in the US?

Anthony has no need to prove knowledge of this. It's a testosterone
thing, y'know. No need to back up anything with facts and cites when
you have Proof By Blatant Assertion.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Bob F. writes:

First an "experimental" aircraft in aviation talk is just another
classification. The characteristics may be well known and just
doesn't fit into any other class.

My impression is that many aircraft are called experimental in order
to get around certain troublesome regulations.


That's because you're clueless.

Bertie

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Bob F. writes:

First an "experimental" aircraft in aviation talk is just another
classification. The characteristics may be well known and just doesn't
fit
into any other class.

My impression is that many aircraft are called experimental in order to
get
around certain troublesome regulations.

And my impression was that you were talking about an aircraft that was
unsafe for flight.


Secondly, I have personally flown a number of experimental Boeing
aircraft
into LAX when I worked for the flight test group there. I believe
B747-100
s/n 1 is still classified as experimental. And I flew B401, 2 and 3 (the
first 3 747-400 designated a/c). They too were classified as
experimental
and flew into a lot of large airports with heavy population.

How many hours had they flown elsewhere before they visited those large
airports?

I don't know exactly, in the case I cited, dozens probably. Everett (Payne
Field), North of Boeing field was built for 747 development because
manufacturing and test facilities were too small and there was no place to
expand since the city was built tightly around the airport. Many maiden
flight took place at Boeing Field and nearby Renton (same situation). It
was a matter of conveniences that Everett was used for their latter flights
and as far as I know, there was never a crash in the neighborhood. Early
maiden flight aircraft actually have a very good statistical record.
--
Regards, Bob F.