Airparks; Living On The Beaten Path?

WJRFlyBoy wrote:


In your case: ** plonk **


Did you fall into a lake?



Ah, not, that was you...

His way of saying not to waste his time.

William Hung wrote:
You have attacked the Caveman and now BobR? These two have been good
contributors to these RA groups for years ever since I was just a
lurker. You on the other hand having contributed much. Writers and
readers here can tell who's who.

Wil

Aw, thanks, Wil.
That was kind.

But let's not cross species, huh?
The FULL name is Saber Tooth Cave Lamb

You can visualize that!
Cute Furry playful gentle young creature - with fangs?



Richard

Sir, I like you. You have some good stuff to say. However, either top post
or learn to goddamn SNIP.

Jim

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"WJRFlyBoy" wrote in message
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:12:28 -0400, Margy Natalie wrote:

I won't speak for Orval but I wouldn't buy such a lot because if the
owners don't own the runway who ever does could sell it out from
under you and you end up with a house with a big garage.

There can still be problems. We had one in Wisconsin where a lawyer
bought one of the lots. Built a nice house without a hangar. Then
got the runway shutdown because of noise!

Holy crap! if there were ever a case for justifiable homicide.

Bertie
They should have written their HOA materials better. We had to sign
something at closing that stated we knew we were in and aviation
community, there were landing aircraft and we couldn't do anything about
it (not quite the wording, but the jist is the same).

Margy

You can and should write strong language into the HOA, covenants and
restrictions, attaching them to the deed in perpetuity. Still, someone
can always dump a lawsuit on the Owners wherein, hopefully, you can be
(self) insured as to the cost of the litigation and the potential loss
in litigation.
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WJRFlyBoy wrote:

Great way to get Gulf view in a home that is several hundred feet off the
beach though.

I saw that, it just made me jealous (until I thought about hurricane
season).


lol But you have the advantage of flying out to wherever. I-X5 gets
backed up, you wouldn't believe the evacuation mess from S. FL.

http://tinyurl.com/yv2zbg

But you still have to clean up the mess afterwards. Charlotte has seen
a hurricane, once, so I think having the lake down the runway and the
living room facing the runway is just fine. If I need beach I can fly
to the outerbanks. :-)

Margy

WJRFlyBoy wrote in
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:55:04 -0600, cavelamb himself wrote:

WJRFlyBoy wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:02:32 -0400, Orval Fairbairn wrote:

Or you could say "miss a landing and kill the neighbor's kids" or
any other level of irreality.

There is nothing unreal about my statement. Improbable, that's open
for debate.


By the way, I have not seen large numbers of children playing
alongside the runway at ANY airpark I have flown into. That is
about as realistic as the children playing on the interstates in
the big cities.

Highflyer

I just read several airpark descriptions, many were relating the
fact that kids were riding their bicycles not only along the strip
but across the strips. Including 3 wheelers, etc.

At Spruce Creek, we take such behavior VERY seriously! NOBODY but
aircraft and airport maintenance vehicles are allowed on the runway.
Anybody else is subject to fines and banishment from the property.

A solid set of covenants backed with enforceability (fines and
liens) and good planning, yep you are in good shape.

Ok, I get it.

In real life you are a lawyer, right?

Yes and No.

Armed robber?

Bertie

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"Rich S." wrote:

"Margy Natalie" wrote in message
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The pre-drought turf was great, now it's a bit lumpy, but I'm sure a few
good months of rain and some overseeding will put it right.

The owners of Wax Orchards airport (WA69) used to be proud to say their
runway was the smoothest turf strip anywhere. I see their description at
Airnav http://www.airnav.com/airport/WA69 says "Surface: turf, in fair
condition". They used to roll it until it felt like a billiard table. Wish
my lawn was in half that shape.

Rich S.

Leeward Air Ranch has some pretty smooth turf. I landed there once and
the only indication I got that we touched down was the drag on the
landing gear.

The place is nice, but too far out in the boondocks, is on wells and
septic systems and has auto traffic on the main taxiway.

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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:09:55 -0600, Neil Gould wrote:

Airparks; Living On The Beaten Path? is the Subject, note the ?

You might even have to decide to give the airplane
to the insurance company someday, if a particularly crappy incident
happens to you - if you take up being a pilot. Planes and houses
don't grow on trees, but they are much easier to replace than people.

I suppose you could say you are at a higher risk if you live within
two miles of any airport. Is it a reasonable risk? I think so.

Two miles and 20 meters is entirely 2 different discussions.

(rest snipped for brevity)

Having read many of your posts, I have to agree with Morgans' suggestion
that you argue less and listen more. Once you start your flight training
you will find that many of your current concerns in areas such as this are
unwarranted. In the meantime, your arguments with those who actually fly
and understand the relevant issues neither serve your ultimate goal nor
help those who, like you, participate in this group to learn because
authoritatively stated misinformation is counterproductive.

A brief example; you will learn that you can't be off the runway by 20
meters at most airports without things getting ugly. You will also learn
that there will be times when you will be unable to take off or land at a
chosen airport, and how to judge those times reasonably well.

Be patient, listen, and learn!

Best,

Neil

I appreciate the thought Neil but it's not like I haven't had a few
hundred hours in single/twin in the left seat.

First, most everyone assumed that I have some kind of irrational problem
with airparks. The irrationality I find is that few, one or two, wanted
to discuss the very real possibilities of serious person and property
damage. Let's take the recent Velocity-RV incident, put that in an
airpark and you have major, potential carnage.

Everyone, almost, assumed that I was looking to find serious and
conclusive faults to the airpark lifestyle. Here's a heads up. If anyone
had simply asked, instead of assuming, what my interest level is, and
why, they would have gotten the straight answer.

I develop real estate with a slant to the niche, luxury market place
(beach, bay, waterfront at the present.) In my area of SW FL, there is
only one airpark and, imo, it's not up to what folks want.

Pilots complain about the public's misconceptions about airparks and air
safety. Chicken and egg, I have sat in way too many pilot-public debates
where both sides are at odds and are carrying attitudes to those
discussions. This thread is a very good example.

One of the powers of being labeled as a under-educated, Mr, KnowItAll is
that people get all hot and bothered for no good reason /but/ they spill
their guts and let the verbiage fly. I take copious notes as my Daddy
said, "You can learn from anyone something, shake the tree to make the
hornets fly if you have too


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On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:13:02 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

A solid set of covenants backed with enforceability (fines and
liens) and good planning, yep you are in good shape.

Ok, I get it.

In real life you are a lawyer, right?

Yes and No.

Armed robber?

Bertie

Yes and no

Degreed, don't practice. As a real estate developer, the laws governing
these kinds of developments are peculiar, unique and lurking to take
your money if you don't fully understand them.
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:56:00 -0500, Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:31:16 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
If that bothers you don't think of landing at some of our back country
strips out here in the west. You would have a heart attack at most of
them trying to thread the needle of trees, cliffs, creeks, stumps,
critters, etc.......
Ben
www.haaspowerair.com
N801BH
It's a little different when you miss a landing a kill a few pines v.s. the
neighbor's kids.
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The trick is to not "miss a landing"... Can you say,, Go
Around ??????????

No offense but this is like arguing with a 16 yo (not you personally) "Dad,
there is a stop sign, people STOP."

Most houses are closer to the street than any runway is to any house. On
those streets are cars driving just as fast as the average airplane
lands and they way many times more which means there is much more energy
there in the case of an accident.

I can't argue that you are wrong but, in real terms, this is much too
simple of a comparison.

Look at it this way. You have several hundred 1,000s of $$$ to mortgage
or invest in a home. If that home gets struck by a car, eh, people will
forget in a few months, a year or so. If you live on an airstrip and a
plane rolls into you, that is going to stick in the public's mind for a
long, long time.

The risk of either happening is low, the results if it does happen can
be astronomically different financially.
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:16:09 -0400, Peter Dohm wrote:

I agree, and might add that 110' from the centerline is pretty generous
compared to some of the residential airparks that I have visited. OTOH,
all
that open space does give you that panoramic view you bought it for.
:-)

Peter

Which makes people crowd their homes to the strip. That I can understand
when first and second tier homes have obstructed views in most (near)
beach
residential developments. Not so "on the strip".
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Peter
(Yes, that's my final answer.)

I don't know what that means but the facts are that beachfront property
and oceanview property can be as much as 2-5x different in price.
Typically, ocean view is never much more than the first or second tier
of houses facing the beach on the waterside of the road.

You get further away, either you are across the road (traffic) or you
can't see the ocean. On an airstrip, you can be 100 meters or so and see
it just fine.
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