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Old March 14th 05, 02:51 AM
Bill Daniels
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This seems a far better idea than built-in 121.5 MHz ELT's.
http://www.vpos.no/

I wonder if it could work in the USA.

Bill Daniels
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Old March 14th 05, 03:10 AM
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Bill Daniels wrote:
This seems a far better idea than built-in 121.5 MHz ELT's.
http://www.vpos.no/

I wonder if it could work in the USA.


A different GPRS module would be required for US frequencies. Digital
signal coverage is sparse in wilderness areas here. I've also noticed
that even in areas with coverage, GSM signals can't be received much
over 5000 ft AGL, whereas analog cell signals work to at least 18K.
Base station antenna technology must have improved...

Marc



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Old March 14th 05, 04:41 AM
Bill Daniels
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"Marc Ramsey" wrote in message
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Bill Daniels wrote:
This seems a far better idea than built-in 121.5 MHz ELT's.
http://www.vpos.no/

I wonder if it could work in the USA.


A different GPRS module would be required for US frequencies. Digital
signal coverage is sparse in wilderness areas here. I've also noticed
that even in areas with coverage, GSM signals can't be received much
over 5000 ft AGL, whereas analog cell signals work to at least 18K.
Base station antenna technology must have improved...

Marc




How about something like packet radio? I understand the ARRL has a pretty
widespread network.

Bill Daniels

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Old March 14th 05, 05:10 AM
Marc Ramsey
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Bill Daniels wrote:
How about something like packet radio? I understand the ARRL has a pretty
widespread network.


I know a few people who are experimenting with it, but repeaters are few
and far between where I fly. Here's what I'm planning on playing with,
but it starts to get expensive to update position more frequently than
every 15 minutes or so:

http://www.sensservice.com/proddetai...100-0149&cat=7

Marc
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Old March 14th 05, 05:17 AM
Bill Daniels
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"Marc Ramsey" wrote in message
m...
Bill Daniels wrote:
How about something like packet radio? I understand the ARRL has a

pretty
widespread network.


I know a few people who are experimenting with it, but repeaters are few
and far between where I fly. Here's what I'm planning on playing with,
but it starts to get expensive to update position more frequently than
every 15 minutes or so:

http://www.sensservice.com/proddetai...100-0149&cat=7

Marc


Define expensive.

Bill Daniels

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Old March 14th 05, 05:18 AM
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Bill Daniels wrote:
"Marc Ramsey" wrote in message
m...
Bill Daniels wrote:
This seems a far better idea than built-in 121.5 MHz ELT's.
http://www.vpos.no/

I wonder if it could work in the USA.


A different GPRS module would be required for US frequencies.

Digital
signal coverage is sparse in wilderness areas here. I've also

noticed
that even in areas with coverage, GSM signals can't be received

much
over 5000 ft AGL, whereas analog cell signals work to at least 18K.
Base station antenna technology must have improved...

Marc




How about something like packet radio? I understand the ARRL has a

pretty
widespread network.

Bill Daniels


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Old March 14th 05, 05:47 AM
Marc Ramsey
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Bill Daniels wrote:
"Marc Ramsey" wrote in message
I know a few people who are experimenting with it, but repeaters are few
and far between where I fly. Here's what I'm planning on playing with,
but it starts to get expensive to update position more frequently than
every 15 minutes or so:

http://www.sensservice.com/proddetai...100-0149&cat=7

Define expensive.


$2.20/month access fee per unit, $0.15 per 72 bit message, which is
adequate for lat/lon and a status code. Note that this device is
transmit only, and the latency between transmission and availability at
the data portal is presently unspecified...

Marc

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Old March 14th 05, 02:15 PM
Bill Daniels
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"Marc Ramsey" wrote in message
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Bill Daniels wrote:
"Marc Ramsey" wrote in message
I know a few people who are experimenting with it, but repeaters are few
and far between where I fly. Here's what I'm planning on playing with,
but it starts to get expensive to update position more frequently than
every 15 minutes or so:

http://www.sensservice.com/proddetai...100-0149&cat=7

Define expensive.


$2.20/month access fee per unit, $0.15 per 72 bit message, which is
adequate for lat/lon and a status code. Note that this device is
transmit only, and the latency between transmission and availability at
the data portal is presently unspecified...

Marc


So, for less than $10 for a nice XC flight, your crew could track you real
time. That sounds like a great idea to me. Now, if that data could be sent
to the retrieve car....

Bill Daniels

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Old March 15th 05, 07:06 AM
Eric Greenwell
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Marc Ramsey wrote:


I know a few people who are experimenting with it, but repeaters are few
and far between where I fly. Here's what I'm planning on playing with,
but it starts to get expensive to update position more frequently than
every 15 minutes or so:

http://www.sensservice.com/proddetai...100-0149&cat=7


Every 15 minutes would still be useful. That would be, at worst, about a
40 mile diameter circle of "potential location" around the last
transmission of a flying glider. It might still transmit after a crash,
too. What kind of antenna does it need? Is that the antenna on the top
of the unit in the picture?


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Eric Greenwell
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Old March 15th 05, 07:19 AM
Marc Ramsey
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Eric Greenwell wrote:
Marc Ramsey wrote:
I know a few people who are experimenting with it, but repeaters are
few and far between where I fly. Here's what I'm planning on playing
with, but it starts to get expensive to update position more
frequently than every 15 minutes or so:

http://www.sensservice.com/proddetai...100-0149&cat=7



Every 15 minutes would still be useful. That would be, at worst, about a
40 mile diameter circle of "potential location" around the last
transmission of a flying glider. It might still transmit after a crash,
too. What kind of antenna does it need? Is that the antenna on the top
of the unit in the picture?


I believe it uses a separate patch antenna, similar in size to those
used by GPS receivers...

Marc

 




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