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robert j. kolker wrote:
Emmanuel Gustin wrote: The problem with such comparisons is that right-wingers are always comparing Bush with Churchill, FDR, Kennedy, etc.; Just what did Kennedy do in his short 3 years, besides screw up the Bay of Pigs invasion? Creating the Camelot ambiance does not count. He stood up to the KKK and got Ole Miss integrated. Cheers --mike Bob Kolker |
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"stop spam" wrote in message ... From a blog I frequent... interesting parallel, perhaps, especially if you compare the Iran-Iraq war and the invasion of Kuwait with Hitler's pre-1939 maneuvering? If, in 1937, Franklin D. Roosevelt would have invaded Germany, captured Hitler, neutralized the Nazi party, and dismantled the standing military, thus saving europe from the ravages of war, genocide, and crimes against humanity, then the United States would have been condemned in shame by the world as an imperialist nation of pre-emptive aggressors, and FDR would have been cast out of office in the subsequent election. If the US could have invaded Germany and done all of that by themselves in one quick swoop like the Iraq war (This would take ASB) then what would happen to post war Germany? Without WW2 putting a strain on Stalin and the Russian forces, could they have taken over all of europe? Saddam was a pretty ****ty guy, but he was also the foil to Iran. A fundamentalist Iraq-Iran super-state in the middle east isn't a pretty idea and will end with Saudi Arabia begging us for help. There is also a school of thought that the US should have stayed out of WW2 longer and let Russia and Germany really kill each other and maybe that would have avoided the cold war....it's doubtful ....and yet, he would have been a Genius who was never celebrated for it. Kinda sucks, but you can never be celebrated if you solve a problem before it's a problem. Especially in politics. |
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stop spam wrote:
From a blog I frequent... interesting parallel, perhaps, especially if you compare the Iran-Iraq war and the invasion of Kuwait with Hitler's pre-1939 maneuvering? If, in 1937, Franklin D. Roosevelt would have invaded Germany, captured Hitler, neutralized the Nazi party, and dismantled the standing military, thus saving europe from the ravages of war, genocide, and crimes against humanity, then the United States would have been condemned in shame by the world as an imperialist nation of pre-emptive aggressors, and FDR would have been cast out of office in the subsequent election. ....and yet, he would have been a Genius who was never celebrated for it. First of all, the invasion of Iraq was not a preemptive strike. It was President's personal reasons that drove him to war. Iraq under Saddam was no fun but Iraq as it stands now is a breeding ground for the terrorists and, IMHO, a much bigger threat to the US. If W wanted to go pre-emptive, he should've dealt with N Korea (have real WMD programs, have always threatened WMD war if touched), Pakistan (supposedly our friends, but in reality an Islamic fundamentalist state with nukes that lets its leading nuclear scientist to sell secrets to other fundamentalist nation and wouldn't prosecute him for that), or the Saudis (they finance all Osama wannabes out there & jack up oil prices to make US pay for it). W's been afraid to touch any of them. He picked on the wrong enemy for a wrong reason. |
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stop spam wrote in message ...
From a blog I frequent... interesting parallel, perhaps, especially if you compare the Iran-Iraq war and the invasion of Kuwait with Hitler's pre-1939 maneuvering? If, in 1937, Franklin D. Roosevelt would have invaded Germany, captured Hitler, neutralized the Nazi party, and dismantled the standing military, thus saving europe from the ravages of war, genocide, and crimes against humanity, then the United States would have been condemned in shame by the world as an imperialist nation of pre-emptive aggressors, and FDR would have been cast out of office in the subsequent election. ....and yet, he would have been a Genius who was never celebrated for it. Ponder this historical parallel. in 1810 Napoleon decides to bring the benefits of the French Revolution to the backward, benighted country of Spain, delivering her from the disastrous rule of the Bourbons (Charles IV and Fernando VII who were fighting each other at the time). He sends a liberating army, overthrows both absolutists Kings, and puts a constitutional king on the throen, thus giving Spain the benefit of the Illustration and Democracy. The Spaniards rise against the French, and a long, brutal guerrilla war. The story ends with Napoleon dying in the arms of St. Helena... |
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stop spam wrote in message ...
B2431 wrote: From: "robert j. kolker" Just what did Kennedy do in his short 3 years, besides screw up the Bay of Pigs invasion? Creating the Camelot ambiance does not count. Bob Kolker He boffed Marylin Monroe True , upset Kruschev over the missiles in Cuba and Or, in other words, for the price of shipping a few missiles back and forth to Cuba once, Kruschev managed to get JFK to abrogate the Monroe Doctrine. Which says that the President gets to have sex with actresses name Monroe??? |
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"Callisto" wrote in message om... stop spam wrote in message ... From a blog I frequent... interesting parallel, perhaps, especially if you compare the Iran-Iraq war and the invasion of Kuwait with Hitler's pre-1939 maneuvering? If, in 1937, Franklin D. Roosevelt would have invaded Germany, captured Hitler, neutralized the Nazi party, and dismantled the standing military, thus saving europe from the ravages of war, genocide, and crimes against humanity, then the United States would have been condemned in shame by the world as an imperialist nation of pre-emptive aggressors, and FDR would have been cast out of office in the subsequent election. ....and yet, he would have been a Genius who was never celebrated for it. Ponder this historical parallel. in 1810 Napoleon decides to bring the benefits of the French Revolution to the backward, benighted country of Spain, delivering her from the disastrous rule of the Bourbons (Charles IV and Fernando VII who were fighting each other at the time). He sends a liberating army, overthrows both absolutists Kings, and puts a constitutional king on the throen, thus giving Spain the benefit of the Illustration and Democracy. 1808 Actually and the king just happened to be his brother. Keith |
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From: (Callisto)
Date: 9/25/2004 17:28 Central Daylight Time Message-id: stop spam wrote in message ... B2431 wrote: From: "robert j. kolker" Just what did Kennedy do in his short 3 years, besides screw up the Bay of Pigs invasion? Creating the Camelot ambiance does not count. Bob Kolker He boffed Marylin Monroe True , upset Kruschev over the missiles in Cuba and Or, in other words, for the price of shipping a few missiles back and forth to Cuba once, Kruschev managed to get JFK to abrogate the Monroe Doctrine. Which says that the President gets to have sex with actresses name Monroe??? I knew if I waited long enough someone would go there. g Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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"ian maclure" wrote in message ...
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:51:31 -0700, Fred the Red Shirt wrote: [snip] In 1937 Germany was the most populous nation in Western Europe, the most technologically advanced continent. Germany had the potential to do eaxctly what Hitler did. In 2002 Iraq had nowhere near that potential, indeed even in 1991 Iraq had no where near that potential. Sodom the Insane and the Baathless Part are toast. They ain't comin' back. Get used to the idea. He's not dead yet. -- FF |
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