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Departure Question
VOR-DME wrote:
The previously cited phrase : "...ODPs are recommended for obstruction clearance and may be flown without ATC clearance unless an alternate departure procedure (SID or radar vector) has been specifically assigned by ATC. " is not in my 2008 AIM. Had it been, I would not have started this thread. Are you referring to the Jeppesen FAR/AIM? It's in the 2006 edition, paragraph 5-2-6 INSTRUMENT DEPARTURE PROCEDURES(DP)--OBSTACLE DEPARTURE PROCEDURES(ODP) AND STANDARD INSTRUMENT DEPARTURES (SID), exactly as you quote it above. The paragraph in the current AIM has the same title but is now paragraph 5-2-8. |
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I thank you, and the previous poster for these regulatory citations, which help
to clarify. I actually did check my AIM before initiating this thread, and did not find any of this language indicating pilot's perogative to adhere to the ODP. My AIM is 2008. Has this language appeared or disappeared recently? I did see this in 5-2-8 : "As a general rule, ATC will only assign an ODP from a non-towered airport when compliance with the ODP is necessary for aircraft to aircraft separation. Pilots may use the ODP to help ensure separation from terrain and obstacles." It would appear this specific case does not follow the "general rule" as the ODP published is clearly for terrain and accomplishes nothing for aircraft separation, which it could actually exacerbate if an aircraft is initiating an approach at the same fix. I'm surprised they don't just assign a name or designator to this type of ODP, the way they do with SID's, that you can just type into the form. In article , says... VOR-DME wrote: I'm departing a non-towered field IFR, let's stay East Coast, and say Bennington (KDDH), departing eastbound. There is a published departure proceedure, for obstacle (read mountain) clearance. Under Part 91, I am not required to follow this proceedure, but due to mountain obscuration I may wish to do so. What do I put in my flight plan, or in my communication via the local GCO to indicate whether I intend to return to the Cambridge VORTAC or not? Albany approach may have other IFR traffic coming into Bennington, so they will want to know if I am backtracking to CAM or not. You should file what you intend to fly, DDH..CAM.V490... for example. Here's a note from the paragraph on Departure Clearances in FAAA 7110.65: "If a published IFR departure procedure is not included in an ATC clearance, compliance with such a procedure is the pilot's prerogative." However you're actually cleared you retain the option to fly the departure procedure. |
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