Dizziness disorientation

On Jan 16, 4:25*am, New Pilot wrote:
Hi folks,

Does anyone have any experience of the following or know about it.

I recently got a ppl licence and generally are fine doing all the
flying type tasks required to safely take off fly and land.
One thing that seems to get me every time is if I am for example
flying straight and level at 2 or 3 thousand feet (height just as an
arbitory figure) and I encounter a crosswind the aircraft slowly but
surely starts to yaw as the wind hits the tail fin. this bit I
understand *but the bit I don't is when this situation happens
I feel dizzy and disorientated for a few moments as the view from the
window in VFR starts to rotate.
I can reduce this by a bit of rudder to stop the rotation and keep the
ball in the centre.

Is this normal or should I not be flying?

I don't understand what you mean by "I encounter a crosswind the
aircraft slowly but
surely starts to yaw as the wind hits the tail fin". I've never
experienced this in my years of flying. I've encountered turb that has
causing yawing that is irritating but never have I seen a cross wind
induce yaw in flight. It sounds as if your aircraft is tethered to the
ground.

-Robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:

I don't understand what you mean by "I encounter a crosswind the
aircraft slowly but
surely starts to yaw as the wind hits the tail fin". I've never
experienced this in my years of flying. I've encountered turb that has
causing yawing that is irritating but never have I seen a cross wind
induce yaw in flight. It sounds as if your aircraft is tethered to the
ground.

-Robert

I think its clear from his post that he is receiving confusing sensory
input (disorientation?) while flying VFR and his lack of flight
experience is causing him to describe it as a "crosswind".

Whatever... this is not normal and he should have it checked out.

Bill Watson wrote:
If you continue to feel your experience is best described as "dizzy" or
"disoriented" in this particular situation and it re-occurs, you really
should see an Eye, Ear, and Nose specialist.

I am a long time pilot that was recently treated for a benign vertigo
condition. It was quite benign, temporary, and fully treatable. In
the process I was exposed to the full range of related conditions. There
are many and the causes are varied. Some are threatening way beyond
piloting. A specialist can really help here.

New Pilot wrote:

Bill, the treatment allowed you to fly also? Or, was the condition
temporary and went away?

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

New Pilot wrote:

Is this normal or should I not be flying?


The behavior of your aircraft is not normal. In flight, a wind coming from
either side of your line of flight should not make the plane yaw. If you are
noticing a yaw tendency developing in cruise flight, it is probably pilot
induced. Check your feet. Also, find an instructor and have a conversation
about how the airplane behaves in a moving air mass.

That said, flying uncoordinated is a common trigger for motion sickness in
many people. The first signs are often a feeling of disorientation.

One last thing. Check that the ball in the aircraft is centered when
you're on the ground. A friend of mine had a Cessna with a ball that had
slipped slightly in its mounts. He didn't notice it on the ground. In
flight, in order to center the ball, he was actually flying around in a
slight slip wherever he went.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:25:06 +0000, New Pilot wrote:

I encounter a crosswind the aircraft slowly but
surely starts to yaw as the wind hits the tail fin.

Me smells a troll.

--
Dallas

Bill Watson wrote:
Ross wrote:

Bill Watson wrote:

If you continue to feel your experience is best described as "dizzy"
or "disoriented" in this particular situation and it re-occurs, you
really should see an Eye, Ear, and Nose specialist.

I am a long time pilot that was recently treated for a benign vertigo
condition. It was quite benign, temporary, and fully treatable. In
the process I was exposed to the full range of related conditions.
There are many and the causes are varied. Some are threatening way
beyond piloting. A specialist can really help here.

New Pilot wrote:


Bill, the treatment allowed you to fly also? Or, was the condition
temporary and went away?

Temporary and went away completely. A not uncommon condition that can
be treated bio-mechanically. Quite an experience to walk in a doctor's
office with a problem and walk out well. Cause is loose debris in the
inner ear. The remedy is to move it around so it doesn't interact with
those inner ear 'gyros'. See
http://www.tchain.com/otoneurology/d...bppv/bppv.html

Anecdotally, I had a 'strange' viral infection in the preceding month.

Scared the heck out of me.
I had something like that about 6 years ago and it too went away. My
wife worked for an ENT at the time and I was doing the maneuvers.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

On Jan 16, 3:55 pm, Dallas wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:25:06 +0000, New Pilot wrote:
I encounter a crosswind the aircraft slowly but
surely starts to yaw as the wind hits the tail fin.

Me smells a troll.

--
Dallas

You may be right... Reconsidering this line:

"I recently got a ppl licence and generally are fine doing all the
flying type tasks required to safely take off fly and land."

That's it? Must have been a pretty short checkride....

Dan

I wonder if Mxsmanic has ever experienced vertigo while flying his Sim?

I doubt MX ever has, since he's flying MSFS on a regular computer monitor.

On our Kiwi, however, with that 104" projection screen "world", it's pretty
common for people to feel "tilted" with near-vertigo. We had one little kid
get motion sick, watching her dad yank and crank.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:22:38 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Jan 16, 3:55 pm, Dallas wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:25:06 +0000, New Pilot wrote:
I encounter a crosswind the aircraft slowly but
surely starts to yaw as the wind hits the tail fin.

Me smells a troll.

--
Dallas

You may be right... Reconsidering this line:

"I recently got a ppl licence and generally are fine doing all the
flying type tasks required to safely take off fly and land."

That's it? Must have been a pretty short checkride....

Dan

Not trolling I promise
Checkride NST plus General handling test took about 2 1/2 hours
CAA PPL

maybe the wording gave the wrong idea but i was trying to say that
there were no problems with general handling of the aircraft.
No way my examiner would have passed me if there were.
The disorieantation was from straight and level flight with no control
inputs from myself the aircraft would sometimes start to yaw usually
no more that about 15 degrees similar to crabbing in on final with
crosswind . this was the only way i could think of describing it.
The other factor is that my home airport is on the very near the coast
I notice this more as when flying along the coast it seems to be when
the above happens and the picture seen from the front is vey noticable
as i either yaw towards the sea or inland.
I figured that the rudder trim would be okay as when the above did not
happen the aircraft would follow the heading okay and stabalator trim
set i could fly hands free (PA28) for a short time.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:RRxjj.38615$Ux2.967@attbi_s22:

I wonder if Mxsmanic has ever experienced vertigo while flying his
Sim?

I doubt MX ever has, since he's flying MSFS on a regular computer
monitor.

On our Kiwi, however, with that 104" projection screen "world", it's
pretty common for people to feel "tilted" with near-vertigo. We had
one little kid get motion sick, watching her dad yank and crank.

Much as I feel now.

Bertie