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The Spruce Goosed by the ADA?
Someone posted on the Pacific Northwest Flying forum that they had flown to
McMinnville, OR to tour the Spruce Goose. What they found out was that since the entire airplane is not handicapped accessible the public was no longer being allowed to go through it. The only view of the interior now available is from a glass box inside the fuselage. If the airplane is not made accessible to everybody then nobody can see it. Of course, modifying the airplane to make it accessible would probably destroy its value as an artifact. Evergreen Museum is attempting to get around the rule by claiming that registered members are not the general public, so at least their members should still be allowed to tour the plane. -- Christopher J. Campbell World Famous Flight Instructor Port Orchard, WA If you go around beating the Bush, don't complain if you rile the animals. |
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I toured the Spruce Goose years ago when it was under the large dome near the
Queen Mary. As I remember there was some sort of small platform which allowed visitors to get inside the fuselage for a look but you were not able to wander around inside. Just a small area suspended above the floor and I think it was encased in glass or plexiglass. It would have been great to crawl around but I can only imagine what the public at large would do in that case. I wonder if the display is the same arrangement or more restricted than before. |
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I don't recall being able to go thru the whole thing when I saw it at LB
about 15 yrs ago. I believe was just a viewing area. "PS2727" wrote in message ... I toured the Spruce Goose years ago when it was under the large dome near the Queen Mary. As I remember there was some sort of small platform which allowed visitors to get inside the fuselage for a look but you were not able to wander around inside. Just a small area suspended above the floor and I think it was encased in glass or plexiglass. It would have been great to crawl around but I can only imagine what the public at large would do in that case. I wonder if the display is the same arrangement or more restricted than before. |
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"Otis Winslow" wrote in message .. . I don't recall being able to go thru the whole thing when I saw it at LB about 15 yrs ago. I believe was just a viewing area. This was something that Evergreen was allowing at McMinnville, until the access issue came up. I seem to recall that Evergreen had to do considerable restoration work due to deterioration and damage and various holes cut into the fuselage for viewing at other locations. I think Disney had made several undesirable modifications, for example. |
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message ... "Otis Winslow" wrote in message .. . I don't recall being able to go thru the whole thing when I saw it at LB about 15 yrs ago. I believe was just a viewing area. I saw it in LB back in '89 and we did go through, but certain areas (cockpit, etc) were glassed off. This was something that Evergreen was allowing at McMinnville, until the access issue came up. I seem to recall that Evergreen had to do considerable restoration work due to deterioration and damage and various holes cut into the fuselage for viewing at other locations. I think Disney had made several undesirable modifications, for example. With the ADA, as always: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions". |
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The old Air Force One airplanes at Wright-Patterson can never be
h-capped accessable. The passages left to museumgoers is only two feet wide, after all the plexiglass protective walls are accounted for. In spite of this I think the Air Force is still letting people go through the planes. I was thinking the same thing. Heck, I had to turn sideways to slither through one of the planes. Maybe we should keep quiet, lest someone bitches and they have to shut 'em down. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote:
The old Air Force One airplanes at Wright-Patterson can never be h-capped accessable. The passages left to museumgoers is only two feet wide, after all the plexiglass protective walls are accounted for. In spite of this I think the Air Force is still letting people go through the planes. I was thinking the same thing. Heck, I had to turn sideways to slither through one of the planes. Maybe we should keep quiet, lest someone bitches and they have to shut 'em down. I'm not going back to that museum. For one, it's over 2000 miles from where I am. For another, the passages were just too freaking narrow. I'll look at the pictures. And it occurs to me that given some very minor modifications, *one* of the AF1's is very handicapped accessable. One just wouldn't be able to wheel through the rest of the airplane. Rob |
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And it occurs to me that given some very minor modifications, *one* of
the AF1's is very handicapped accessable. One just wouldn't be able to wheel through the rest of the airplane. True, but I doubt any wheelchair-bound person nowadays would want to ride Roosevelt's rickety-looking elevator into the cargo bay of a DC-4... -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Jay Honeck wrote: Maybe we should keep quiet, lest someone bitches and they have to shut 'em down. I don't think there's any fear of that. I took a look at the ADA stuff, and it's all very well worded. There is no mention of the regs being applicable to museums, and the regs are full of phrases like "where reasonably accomplished". I expect what's happened is that some organization has threatened to sue the museum and the museum can't afford to defend the suit, so they've caved in. The Air Force would tell such a group to stick it. George Patterson Battle, n; A method of untying with the teeth a political knot that would not yield to the tongue. |
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