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"Roger (K8RI)" wrote I can understand the jet (high due to being a jet and the number of seats) and the Caravan on floats, but on wheels that is almost twice what they quoted me for a TBM 700 with the Caravan costing less and being considerably slower. Can your justify a jet turbine costing more than a turbo prop? Are not jet turbine aircraft much more safe, mile per mile? -- Jim in NC |
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Roger (K8RI) wrote: On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:32:07 -0600, Newps wrote: I have a friend who owned a Citation for many years. The insurance was $90K per year. He also owned a Caravan on amphibs, that ran $45K per year for insurance. Another friend has a Caravan on wheels, that only costs $35K per year. I can understand the jet (high due to being a jet and the number of seats) and the Caravan on floats, but on wheels that is almost twice what they quoted me for a TBM 700 with the Caravan costing less and being considerably slower. The Caravan on wheels price may reflect that it is the company plane. The company makes small diameter tubing for the auto industry in Michigan and was a cost effective way of owning a Caravan. I should ask him what he pays for the Turbine 210, that's a personal bird I believe. |
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RST Engineering wrote:
No problem. I'll give T-shirts away at my forum this year to any female willing to take her shirt off and put mine on during the forum ... on stage. Even if she has two shirts on? :-) |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message oups.com... Mary and I just returned from 6 glorious days at Sun N Fun in Lakeland, FL. Me too, but only 4 days. In addition to the airshows and static displays, I took in a couple of workshops where I learned a little about metal shaping and welding. Also, I visited the Aircraft Spruce display and had 'em ship me about $200 in aviation odds and ends - filters, plugs, wrenches, etc. I have a buddy who drives to the show and provides ground transportation. It is great to have "wheels", because there are plenty of restaurants within a 10 minute drive of the grounds, and the wait times are nonexistent. We left the show at lunchtime a couple of days and were back in an hour or so... There are several grocery close by as well. The local Publix has a Kitfox on display as you walk into the store. And they have steamed shrimp. Campers at adjacent campsites were very jealous... Shrimp and beer...mmmm I had a couple of brushes with the media at the show. In one case, I'd just had my buddy take my picture with the "Zoom Free Zone" sign at the CGS booth in the ultralight area. Walking back through the antique area, I gave my buddy the rundown on the business practices and ethics of Jim Campbell, and how (and why) he is banned from SnF. As I finished the story, a guy who'd been sort of walking along with us introduced himself as a writer/reporter from Avweb. He said he didn't dare to comment on Jim Campbell or ANN, but was just happy that I wasn't giving Avweb the same "treatment". I commented to him that I appreciate Avweb, but that I'd love to see Avweb add some of the irreverence (his word was snarkyness) back to its writing. He indicated that they had to be careful, but that they do plan to add back some of that content. Later, we were in the Flying Magazine booth and someone asked if I was a subscriber (not anymore - dropped the subscription recently) and would I care to resubscribe. I told him "No thanks, the magazine's focus has moved way, way upscale. Today's content is all jets and $100,000 instrument panels" Then I pointed to the array of recent issues spread out on the table for review - every one of 'em had a corporate jet on the cover... Of course, I was probably talking to a hired gun for the airshow, but it would be really nice if the folks who run Flying would throw the $100,000 (and sub - $50,000) airplane crowd a few bones in each issue... Completing a nice 4 day vacation, there was a 10 or 15 knot tailwind for my trip home in nice blue skies (other than the smoke in South Georgia). KB |
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Jay Honeck wrote in news:1177261684.540467.127180
@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com: Nice write-up. NEXPO was in Orlando this past week. I had hoped to sneak away to Lakeland, but ended up being WAY too busy to pull it off. |
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It is great to have "wheels", because there are plenty of restaurants within
a 10 minute drive of the grounds, and the wait times are nonexistent. Yeah, we were lucky to have (occasional) wheels, too, thanks to our buds at Flying Colors Glass. We ate off-site several times, and hit the local Winn-Dixie grocery store once. But it sure would have been nice if that danged camp store had been open more, mostly for ice and beverages. Later, we were in the Flying Magazine booth and someone asked if I was a subscriber (not anymore - dropped the subscription recently) and would I care to resubscribe. I told him "No thanks, the magazine's focus has moved way, way upscale. Today's content is all jets and $100,000 instrument panels" They tried to get me to extend, to which I replied that I was already receiving TWO subscriptions, thanks to the LAST time I "extended" my subscription at their tent at OSH. That's right, instead of extending your current subscription, they will start another one, just to pad their numbers. And woe to anyone who actually tries to call "Flying" mag's circulation department to get the situation corrected! It's been totally farmed out to the same bozos that are selling subs at SNF and OSH, and they rarely answer. Completing a nice 4 day vacation, there was a 10 or 15 knot tailwind for my trip home in nice blue skies (other than the smoke in South Georgia). We saw a bit of those fires on our way through. Up at 8500 feet it didn't matter, but it sure looked hazy down lower... Great show! I wish I never had to leave... -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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("Jack Allison" wrote)
Are you sure it wasn't the other way around? Perhaps the "Black" half of the duo from the Twin Cities conveniently arranged to send "Mont" your way and paid the kids a handsome price to watch him for a week :-) That's closer to the truth than you realize. g Montblack |
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24 to 32 THOUSAND??? Are you sure? Wow. Well, Jim, the average Cirrus pilot is paying $10 - $15K annually for insurance, from what I've been told. Makes my $1200/year seem positively reasonable. -- Jay Honeck Jay, this reminds me of a time in GA when insurance for certain operations/types simply wasnt available at ANY price. I think what the VLJ manufacturers are doing is a great proactive way to sell even more jets. For anyone in RAP land who might be looking to try this mentor pilot program, the requirements were pretty low. I dont recall what the Diamond people wanted, but the Eclipse people only wanted to see 1000 multi and 500 turbine. Seems like an easy way to make some extra spendoolies as a side job. I have mentored a few polits over the years and it was fun (Got to fly to some interesting places too). |
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Morgans wrote:
"Jay Honeck" wrote Well, Jim, the average Cirrus pilot is paying $10 - $15K annually for insurance, from what I've been told. Makes my $1200/year seem positively reasonable. I had no idea that it was so expensive to insure jets. I have a hard time seeing how they will ever be able to get the cost down low enough to make air taxi service with the VLJ's affordable. Eclipse is quoting around $32K for full coverage on it's 500 for a "fully qualified pilot" (ie, something around 2000+/500 hour pilot), or $64K for a newbie. http://www.eclipseaviation.com/ownership/insurance/ |
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Matt Barrow wrote:
Morgans wrote: "Jay Honeck" wrote Well, Jim, the average Cirrus pilot is paying $10 - $15K annually for insurance, from what I've been told. Makes my $1200/year seem positively reasonable. I had no idea that it was so expensive to insure jets. I have a hard time seeing how they will ever be able to get the cost down low enough to make air taxi service with the VLJ's affordable. Eclipse is quoting around $32K for full coverage on it's 500 for a "fully qualified pilot" (ie, something around 2000+/500 hour pilot), or $64K for a newbie. http://www.eclipseaviation.com/ownership/insurance/ If I'm doing the math right that's about 2% of hull value for the "fully qualified pilot" and 4% for a newbie. Sounds about right. I was checking insurance costs for the 601XL I'm building and was quoted $445.00/year on a $40K hull cost. |
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