Wishing for clickable US score sheet

The score sheet presently has a column identifying only the name of the IGC file for each pilot. That's a good thing, but it's a real pain to then go find and retrieve the file elsewhere.

It would be really cool if we could just click the IGC file name to immediately download it for viewing.

Since I'm free to wish as I please, I will also wish for another column on the scoresheet with an IGC file that has been pruned to the on-course time such that the pre-start and post-finish data is removed from the log. That would really be nice for checking a pilot's racing statistics and make flight comparisons easy. So two IGC files for each flight please: one comprises the as-submitted flight log and the other is a generated file slightly massaged for improved viewing and analysis.

I'm sure somebody here knows how to do this stuff. Thanks in advance if you can do this. It would help everybody improve their flying.

That is a great idea!

I go to the "results" page on the SSA web and download the entire batch of flights from that day. They I load the batch into SeeYou and scroll down to find the pilots I am interested it. If you just want one file my method is pretty circuitous. I suppose you could write down the file name from the score sheet and then find it in the batch. Your suggestion would surely make both these methods obsolete.

It would take some coding by our volunteer web master. From what I have seen of his talents your suggesting would be easy for him!

Lane

The rest of the world uses Soaring Spot to post competition results. http://www.soaringspot.com/
No need to reinvent the wheel.

On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 7:43:07 AM UTC-5, Brett wrote:
The rest of the world uses Soaring Spot to post competition results.
http://www.soaringspot.com/
No need to reinvent the wheel.




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Brett

the rest of the world uses a different scoring system too

On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 8:43:07 AM UTC-4, Brett wrote:
The rest of the world uses Soaring Spot to post competition results.
http://www.soaringspot.com/
No need to reinvent the wheel.




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Brett

No reinventing.
Flight log availability on line has been part of contest reporting in the US since 2011.
UH

On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 7:08:57 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 8:43:07 AM UTC-4, Brett wrote:
The rest of the world uses Soaring Spot to post competition results.
http://www.soaringspot.com/
No need to reinvent the wheel.




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Brett

No reinventing.
Flight log availability on line has been part of contest reporting in the US since 2011.
UH

Believe the point Brett made is: Soaring Spot already does everything Steve asked about. It's very easy to navigate between days and classes. An IGC file is downloaded by clicking the contest ID on the daily score sheet.

Problems exist because USA uses a proprietary handicapping system, and a measure of distance used at few if any other places in aviation.
Australian competitions use multiple start points for each task, but are able to use Soaring Spot so there is a way to work these differences out.
Jim

On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 12:33:40 PM UTC-5, JS wrote:

Problems exist because USA uses a proprietary handicapping system, and a measure of distance used at few if any other places in aviation.
Jim

I beg to differ with you on that, Jim. This has NOTHING to do with rules, handicaps, etc. This is all post scoring, where do we store the flight logs and make a link to them rather than a link to a zip file with all the flight logs in it.

The other Steve

Soaring Spot is just one example of US isolation. The SSA actively seems to do everything possible to isolate US Soaring from the world soaring community. US rules and contests are unique and only Canada (with its own major modifications) uses the US system (with some reluctance I sense). I'm not sure if that is going to continue...

As a US citizen, we have no choice other than to follow these SSA policies. It is very frustrating as they also protect the tangent they have created fairly aggressively from a political perspective. Disgust with FAI rules dominate the news articles and many discussions for example. It basically goes like this: The FAI/IGC rules are bad. The tasking is bad. Etc, etc. How would most Americans really know? They'll never experience it.

Today and for years, there is very little in common between SSA contests and FAI. All of the systems are different. Zero commonality. Some argue that doesn't matter. Contests are still about climbing better and running better. Sure, but that is a massive oversimplification. We have completely different rules in the USA (with highly complex scoring formulas designed to "make soaring...fair," unique scoring systems, our own tasks (zero and one turn mats, long mats 30-mile radius TAT's and almost no assigned tasks), our own handicaps, etc, etc, etc. Those driving this policy are dug in like ticks and believe the USA's soaring tangent is noble and necessary. In my opinion, the SSA's tangent strongly isolates the US soaring community from the worldwide soaring community. In several very important ways.

US pilots are not included in FAI rankings. No, no. We have the SSA pilot rankings. Completely separate. Very rarely are US contest results included in the FAI rankings and any US pilot on the list has a highly inaccurate ranking.

Our contests are only on our (fairly poor, stale, very low traffic) US websites and social media sites, greatly handicapping and limiting the audience and interest. I would love to see the statistics.

The rest of the world very likely does not care at all about the US websites. I doubt they check them very often. If at all...

All of this effort to create a unique and "better" system simply isolates the US (and Canada).

Just my 2 cents...

On Monday, August 15, 2016 at 11:00:27 AM UTC-4, Steve Koerner wrote:
The score sheet presently has a column identifying only the name of the IGC file for each pilot. That's a good thing, but it's a real pain to then go find and retrieve the file elsewhere.

It would be really cool if we could just click the IGC file name to immediately download it for viewing.

Since I'm free to wish as I please, I will also wish for another column on the scoresheet with an IGC file that has been pruned to the on-course time such that the pre-start and post-finish data is removed from the log. That would really be nice for checking a pilot's racing statistics and make flight comparisons easy. So two IGC files for each flight please: one comprises the as-submitted flight log and the other is a generated file slightly massaged for improved viewing and analysis.

I'm sure somebody here knows how to do this stuff. Thanks in advance if you can do this. It would help everybody improve their flying.

UH clearly believes that what exists is "good enough" and that the ingrates should be satisfied. The Winscore-based scoring environment does do something more or less like what was intended in the horse and buggy days when there was no internet and the alternatives were few.

UH asserts that there are only a few folks who are interested in looking at files, and getting them the next day is just fine.

Having extensive experience with three scoring systems (Winscore, SeeYou and SGP) along with OLC what the US system provides is doesn't even come close to providing what the current standard of practice is.

At the contests I have officiated at (CD or Scorer), I have endeavored to use alternate and extraordinary means to provide posted scores within minutes of log submission, and to also provide simultaneous availability of logs via Google Drive (albeit not grouped by class .

My own opinion is that the immediacy of scores, logs and of uesable real-time tracking makes competing (even though it's not racing) much more interesting to both competitors and others.

QT

Well stated John...I wholehearted agree.

Winscore was originally conceived as a "print on paper" scoring calculator to serve only those present at a soaring contest. This it does well and thanks to Guy Byars who many years ago volunteered to developed it and has kept it updated to reflect current SSA rules.

R.A.S.'ers should not make the mistake of expecting Winscore to provide something it was never designed or intended to provide.


UH clearly believes that what exists is "good enough" and that the ingrates should be satisfied. The Winscore-based scoring environment does do something more or less like what was intended in the horse and buggy days when there was no internet and the alternatives were few.

UH asserts that there are only a few folks who are interested in looking at files, and getting them the next day is just fine.

Having extensive experience with three scoring systems (Winscore, SeeYou and SGP) along with OLC what the US system provides is doesn't even come close to providing what the current standard of practice is.

At the contests I have officiated at (CD or Scorer), I have endeavored to use alternate and extraordinary means to provide posted scores within minutes of log submission, and to also provide simultaneous availability of logs via Google Drive (albeit not grouped by class .

My own opinion is that the immediacy of scores, logs and of uesable real-time tracking makes competing (even though it's not racing) much more interesting to both competitors and others.

QT