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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote...
Actually, I think you'll find a Piper Cub is always a J-3. According to http://www.pipercubforum.com/whats.htm, a "Piper Cub" could be a J-2, J-3, J-4, J-5, or PA-11. Closely related to the Cub are the PA-12, PA-14, and PA-18. |
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:40:52 GMT, Greasy Rider @ Invalid.com wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:53:35 -0600, Ed Rasimus proclaimed: Not much good for travel, but it was easy to "dance the sky" and the yellow aero-doped wings were pretty easy to "laughter-silver." "laughter-silver." is a term I'm not familiar with. Care to enlighten me? Refer to John Gillespie Magee. Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" Smithsonian Institution Press ISBN #1-58834-103-8 |
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:34:59 -0600, Ed Rasimus
proclaimed obliquely : John Gillespie Magee Ain't Google great? |
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Subject: Piper Cub Vs F-15
From: "Emilio" Date: 6/29/2004 11:13 AM Central Daylight Time Message-id: It is hard to believe that F-15 can fly formation with Piper Cub. http://www.pipercubforum.com/intercep.htm Do F-15 fly by wire system prevent the aircraft from stalling at that low speed? Last time I saw an aircraft with fly by wire system did such a stunt, Airbus plowed right in to the forest at the end of the forest! Emilio. The article is from ANN which automatically makes the details automatically suspect. If it was written my Jim "Capt Zoom" Campbell it is near fiction even based on an actual event. For a little overview see: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ousterj/zoom.html What tripped my BS alarm was the C-172's pilot's first hint he wasn't alone was the "smell of burning paint." Unless the guy was stone deaf would he not have heard the F-15 if it were close enough to smell? I'm am not saying the event didn't occur, just not the way it was written. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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"Mike" wrote in message
... "John Mullen" wrote in message ... "Emilio" wrote in message ... It is hard to believe that F-15 can fly formation with Piper Cub. http://www.pipercubforum.com/intercep.htm Do F-15 fly by wire system prevent the aircraft from stalling at that low speed? Last time I saw an aircraft with fly by wire system did such a stunt, Airbus plowed right in to the forest at the end of the forest! That was more to do with the poor planning and complacency of the pilots than the FBW system. John The pilots had a) ignored the 'low altitude' warning, b) thought they were flying at 100 feet rather than the actual 30, and c) hadn't anticipated or allowed for the delay in pushing the throttle and the engines actually responding. They had also lined up on the wrong runway for the display they were doing, and disabled the alpha floor function (?) which normally protects the plane's speed. A common theme in a lot of these modern crashes is the immense over reliance pilots place in the automated systems. If you point the plane at the ground and turn off the engines, it will still crash. A sobering thought. John |
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"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message ... While a "Piper Cub" may not be a Taylorcraft or an Aeronca, I've seen it applied quite comfortably to a J-4 and (IIRC) J-6. They probably had a proper corporate nomenclature, but as canvas-sided, tail-dragging, Continental-powered, products of Piper Aircraft, they pretty much got stuck with the moniker. There are those who use "Piper Cub" to describe any light aircraft, and some refer to all of the long-wing rag-and-tube Pipers as Cubs. My earlier statement, that a Piper Cub is always a J-3, was not quite correct. While all of the Cubs prior to the J-3 (E-2, F-2, H-2, and J-2) were certificated by Taylor Aircraft Company, a few J-2s were built after the company moved from Bradford to Lock Haven and became Piper. The J-3 supplanted the J-2 six months after the move. There were later variants as well, but they weren't just called "Cub". The J-4 was called the "Cub Coupe", the J-5 the "Cub Cruiser", and the PA-18 the "Super Cub". I got my first flying lessons and solo hours in a J-3 and wish fervently that I owned one today. Not much good for travel, but it was easy to "dance the sky" and the yellow aero-doped wings were pretty easy to "laughter-silver." I own an Aeronca 7AC, similar performance to a J-3 but you get to sit up front where you can see. |
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Greasy Rider @ Invalid.com wrote in message ... "laughter-silver." is a term I'm not familiar with. Care to enlighten me? It's from the poem "High Flight". Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings; Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth Of sun-split clouds, - and done a hundred things You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there, I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung My eager craft through footless halls of air. . . . Up, up the long, delirious burning blue I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace Where never lark, or ever eagle flew - And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod The high untresspassed sanctity of space, Put out my hand, and touched the face of God. |
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"John R Weiss" wrote in message news:MijEc.130736$HG.83348@attbi_s53... According to http://www.pipercubforum.com/whats.htm, a "Piper Cub" could be a J-2, J-3, J-4, J-5, or PA-11. Closely related to the Cub are the PA-12, PA-14, and PA-18. A few J-2s were built by Piper, the majority were built by Taylor. The J-4 was called the "Cub Coupe", the J-5 was called the "Cub Cruiser", the PA-11 was called the "Cub Special", the PA-12 was called the "Super Cruiser", the PA-14 was called the "Family Cruiser", and the PA-18 was called the "Super Cub". |
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Alan Dicey wrote in message ...
Emilio wrote: Do F-15 fly by wire system prevent the aircraft from stalling at that low speed? Last time I saw an aircraft with fly by wire system did such a stunt, Airbus plowed right in to the forest at the end of the forest! The F15 does not have what avionics people think of as fly-by-wire. In fly-by-wire the control surfaces are moved by the computer alone, which integrates control inputs (pilots suggestions) with the aircrafts position in the flight envelope (the sensed environment). In fly-by-wire there is no mechanical connection between the pilot and the control surfaces. The F-15 has hydromechanical connections between the pilots controls and the ailerons, stabilators and rudders. What the F-15 does have is a stability augmentation system. http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...raft/f-15e.htm The first production fly-by-wire aircraft was the F-16. Concord actually. They even wanted to put sidearm controllers on it. |
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