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F15E/1941
I know similar scenarios were made into a movie.
But, if on Dec 1941 you had two strike eagles. Only two. Your sortie arrived at the Japanese fleet about the time 1/2 of the first wave was launched. Question 1# given the choice of any weaponry available for the F15, (even some that may not be normally used) what would your weapon load be? This is using all available hard points and taking fuel out of the equation. Question #2 Given the choice of weapons above, what would your tactics be to maximize damage to the carrier fleet and prevent as many planes as possible from reaching Pearl. (while saving your own butt) Now there would have to be a balance between destroying the carriers from future use and destroying the attacking planes that have already left the carrier. Have it it. Hang as much on the plane as you can. But when your out of munitions, what other tactics could you use? Bob -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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But, if on Dec 1941 you had two strike eagles.
Only two. Your sortie arrived at the Japanese fleet about the time 1/2 of the first wave was launched. what would your weapon load be? Not really sure what the weapons load out of an F-15E can be but I would load enough air to surface missiles to put two killing shots into every carrier from a distance that leaves me invulnerable to AAA return fire. If I can still carry air to air missiles then as many of them as possible. Given the choice of weapons above, what would your tactics be to maximize damage to the carrier fleet and prevent as many planes as possible from reaching Pearl. I would kill every carrier before they can finish launching the first wave strikes. Then I would go warp 9 till I caught the strike group and start killing the leaders with Sparrows or Sidewinders. (Assuming the Sidewinder can pick up a heat signature from an early 20th century recip aircraft.) Then use my Vulcan 20mm using as short a burst as possible in order to kill as many of the survivors as possible. But when your out of munitions, what other tactics could you use? High speed passes with pull ups in full burner that will swat the Japanese aircraft out of the air. The Isralis used this tactic against helicopters in 1973. At the same time I am screaming as loudly as possible to the Army and Navy commands on Oahu that the Japanese are coming. John Dupre' |
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"JDupre5762" wrote in message
... (snip) At the same time I am screaming as loudly as possible to the Army and Navy commands on Oahu that the Japanese are coming. Didn't they know that anyway, but could not be bothered getting out of bed? It was a Sunday after all! John |
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"Bob Urz" wrote in message ... I know similar scenarios were made into a movie. But, if on Dec 1941 you had two strike eagles. Only two. Your sortie arrived at the Japanese fleet about the time 1/2 of the first wave was launched. Question 1# given the choice of any weaponry available for the F15, (even some that may not be normally used) what would your weapon load be? This is using all available hard points and taking fuel out of the equation. Mk/B61 Nuclear weapons Question #2 Given the choice of weapons above, what would your tactics be to maximize damage to the carrier fleet and prevent as many planes as possible from reaching Pearl. (while saving your own butt) Throw em a coupla buckets o instant sunshine Keith |
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On Mon, 31 May 2004 01:31:01 +0100, "Keith Willshaw"
wrote: "Bob Urz" wrote in message ... I know similar scenarios were made into a movie. But, if on Dec 1941 you had two strike eagles. Only two. Your sortie arrived at the Japanese fleet about the time 1/2 of the first wave was launched. Question 1# given the choice of any weaponry available for the F15, (even some that may not be normally used) what would your weapon load be? This is using all available hard points and taking fuel out of the equation. Mk/B61 Nuclear weapons Question #2 Given the choice of weapons above, what would your tactics be to maximize damage to the carrier fleet and prevent as many planes as possible from reaching Pearl. (while saving your own butt) Throw em a coupla buckets o instant sunshine Keith You know it. You could carry five at the *least*. Come to think of it you could probably put a B83 (more bang) on the centerline, one on each CFT and one under each wing. Five 1-2 MT bombs (ten I guess if you're using two Eagles) ought to do the trick :-) |
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"Bob Urz" wrote in message ... I know similar scenarios were made into a movie. But, if on Dec 1941 you had two strike eagles. Only two. Your sortie arrived at the Japanese fleet about the time 1/2 of the first wave was launched. Question 1# given the choice of any weaponry available for the F15, (even some that may not be normally used) what would your weapon load be? This is using all available hard points and taking fuel out of the equation. Question #2 Given the choice of weapons above, what would your tactics be to maximize damage to the carrier fleet and prevent as many planes as possible from reaching Pearl. (while saving your own butt) Now there would have to be a balance between destroying the carriers from future use and destroying the attacking planes that have already left the carrier. Have it it. Hang as much on the plane as you can. But when your out of munitions, what other tactics could you use? Bob I carry 4x cluster bombs per aircraft (just in case I miss with one or two), and all the sidewinders and 20mm the F-15 will haul. I'm hitting the carriers with cluster bombs, which ought to do a number on any aircraft and people on deck. The secondaries from the Japanese munitions will finish the job on the carriers. Once the carriers are lit up like the 4th of July, I take out bombers and torpedo planes until I exhaust my supply of sidewinders. Following that, I go plinking with 20 mm. I don't waste my time shooting up Zero's unless there is nothing else to shoot at. KB |
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"Bob Urz" wrote in message ... I know similar scenarios were made into a movie. But, if on Dec 1941 you had two strike eagles. Only two. Your sortie arrived at the Japanese fleet about the time 1/2 of the first wave was launched. Question 1# given the choice of any weaponry available for the F15, (even some that may not be normally used) what would your weapon load be? This is using all available hard points and taking fuel out of the equation. B61's, and as many AIM-9/AIM-120's we could carry. Question #2 Given the choice of weapons above, what would your tactics be to maximize damage to the carrier fleet and prevent as many planes as possible from reaching Pearl. (while saving your own butt) Vaporize the carriers, then chase down and destroy as many of the already launched planes as we have missiles/20MM for. Now there would have to be a balance between destroying the carriers from future use and destroying the attacking planes that have already left the carrier. Have it it. Hang as much on the plane as you can. But when your out of munitions, what other tactics could you use? Full AB to Pearl, land, taxi to the HQ building. A couple of full AB runups should get the duty officers attention. Pete |
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Pete wrote: "Bob Urz" wrote in message ... I know similar scenarios were made into a movie. But, if on Dec 1941 you had two strike eagles. Only two. Your sortie arrived at the Japanese fleet about the time 1/2 of the first wave was launched. Question 1# given the choice of any weaponry available for the F15, (even some that may not be normally used) what would your weapon load be? This is using all available hard points and taking fuel out of the equation. B61's, and as many AIM-9/AIM-120's we could carry. Question #2 Given the choice of weapons above, what would your tactics be to maximize damage to the carrier fleet and prevent as many planes as possible from reaching Pearl. (while saving your own butt) Vaporize the carriers, then chase down and destroy as many of the already launched planes as we have missiles/20MM for. Now there would have to be a balance between destroying the carriers from future use and destroying the attacking planes that have already left the carrier. Have it it. Hang as much on the plane as you can. But when your out of munitions, what other tactics could you use? Full AB to Pearl, land, taxi to the HQ building. A couple of full AB runups should get the duty officers attention. Pete Although i agree the nukes are a "finisher", i was thinking more along the lines of conventional weapons to make it more interesting. Would a agm-65 be usable in this situation? laser guided bombs certainly would. Someone suggested a cluster bomb, but how would you target it on a moving target? And i believe the gun has 450 rounds capacity? That would not allow much of a squirt per zero. And given the zero has superior low speed maneuverability, how would you approach the gun shots? Bob -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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"Bob Urz" wrote Although i agree the nukes are a "finisher", i was thinking more along the lines of conventional weapons to make it more interesting. Would a agm-65 be usable in this situation? laser guided bombs certainly would. At this point, all we need to do is kill the flight deck, and disable as many unlaunched planes as we can. AGM-65 is probably too small to be effective. F-15E can carry 8x500 lb (GBU-12 or MK-82). Use those. 2 ea holes in the flight deck would take it out of action. Someone suggested a cluster bomb, but how would you target it on a moving target? It's not moving that fast. Targeting wouldn't be that hard (lead it a little) The bomblets would be enough to disable some/most of the aircraft on deck, but maybe not enough to take the flight deck out of operation. And i believe the gun has 450 rounds capacity? That would not allow much of a squirt per zero. And given the zero has superior low speed maneuverability, how would you approach the gun shots? From behind. Pick them off one by one. If you're lucky, you'll get a few before the guys in front notice. Once they DO notice, leave and call the cavalry. You're vastly outnumbered. Notification is more important than trying to get "just one more". Pete Knowing what we know now, I still maintain that with an unrestricted weapons load, B61 is the only way to go. |
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