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Bush Threatens Veto Of Any Bills That Don't Include User Fees ForEveryone Talking To ATC!
On Jun 30, 4:04*pm, "Mike" wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in ... On Jun 30, 3:11 pm, "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote: Mike wrote: What school of Constitutional authority do you subscribe to, if any? The 10th amendment.. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." No where in the constitution does it authorize a Social Security program. Too bad you didn't get as far as the 16th amendment, Mr. economic expert. The 16th amendment just change the requirement that taxes be appointed amoung the states. It does not authorize a social security system. You probably shouldn't try to read the constitution on your own. Try taking a real consitutional law class. -Robert |
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Bush Threatens Veto Of Any Bills That Don't Include User Fees For Everyone Talking To ATC!
gatt wrote in news:208bs7.vgc.17.3
@integratelecom.com: Bertie the Bunyip wrote: gatt wrote in news:208405.vk4.17.3 He's already started warning us by saying he's increasing the social security tax. That's going to hit many of us. Won't hit me. By the time I'm eligible for the Socialist Security I've been paying into all my life, it'll be gone. Really? I'll collect on it and I don;t even pay SS! Imagine that. Don't have to. Having said that, i haven't collected yet... Bertie |
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Bush Threatens Veto Of Any Bills That Don't Include User Fees ForEveryone Talking To ATC!
On Jun 30, 3:41*pm, "Mike" wrote:
Why don't you demonstrate your expertise by answering the question below? First explain how it's relevant to what Mr. economic expert claimed and then we'll talk. *Fair enough? Looks like he's backing down Steve. He's now trying to find anyway possible to get out of explaining how taking more money out of your check and giving it to social security is not a tax increase. -Robert |
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Bush Threatens Veto Of Any Bills That Don't Include User Fees For Everyone Talking To ATC!
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:44:44 -0400, Bob Noel
wrote in : In article , Larry Dighera wrote: One wonders what McCain's position on ATC user fees might be: No one wonders what Obama's position is? Are you intimating that Obama's ATC user fee view is aligned with Bush's? Not at all. For the sake of completeness, I'm wondering what McCain AND Obama's positions are. Oh. I understand now. It was the missing period after 'No' that threw me. eh? There was no missing period. "No one" aka "nobody" I thought you were implying that everyone knew what Obama's position is, hence they don't wonder? At any rate, it would be interesting to learn what Obama's views on ATC user fees may be. This Obama statement talks about transportation, but it's a bit light on funding details: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pd...sportation.pdf http://jets.halogenguides.com/articl...dies-in-senate FAA Funding Bill Dies in Senate 05/07/2008 Presidential candidates Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., Barack Obama, D-Ill. and John McCain, R-Ariz. were among the nine Senators who abstained from voting. http://www.ainonline.com/ain-and-ain...for-president/ Natca Endorses Obama for President June 2008 The National Air Traffic Controllers Association (Natca) late last week endorsed Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) for president. According to the controllers union, Obama is “a champion of fair collective bargaining rights for controllers [and] a fierce advocate for aviation safety and holding the FAA accountable.” Two years ago, Obama introduced the FAA Fair Labor Management Dispute Resolution Act of 2006, which would have required neutral binding arbitr... I suppose you could phone the number in this article and ask about Obama's position on ATC user fees: http://www.jetwhine.com/2007/09/avia...in-your-hands/ They seem to think that industry types will take time out of their valuable day just to pick up the phone and punch in 866-908-5898 and be automatically connected to their members of Congress. I did and spoke to the folks in the office of Senators Dick Durbin and Barrack Obama and Representative Jan Shakowsky. That’s when I told their staffers that this week’s vote on aviation industry funding is crucial. ... AOPA Search: Your search - "user fees" obama - did not match any documents. I submitted a question he http://obama.senate.gov/contact/index.php |
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Bush Threatens Veto Of Any Bills That Don't Include User Fees For Everyone Talking To ATC!
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
... On Jun 30, 3:49 pm, "Mike" wrote: The current limit isn't $97,500, Mr. economic expert, which leads me to believe either you don't fall into that category or you're not quite the economic expert you claim to be, no? http://www.socialsecurity.gov/pubs/10003.html "6.2% on earnings up to $97,500" Your own link proves you wrong, Mr. economic expert. Do you really want to continue to dig yourself into that hole? Furthermore, if you meant $97,500 or whatever, why didn't you specify it as such rather than clearly implying everyone would be subject to an increase? So you are claiming that this is not a tax increase? I said he was increasing SS tax. Why do you keep trying to redefine what you said? Here it is again, Mr. economic expert: ""Me too but the point is that Obama has pre-announced that the payroll tax we are paying will increase." Why do you insist on clipping out what you said and claim something else? Do you really think your duplicitous rhetoric scores you any points? I have yet to hear how you claim this is not a tax increase. Then why do you keep pretending I did? All I did was to take issue with the accuracy of YOUR claim, Mr. economic expert. |
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Bush Threatens Veto Of Any Bills That Don't Include User Fees For Everyone Talking To ATC!
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:43:41 -0700 (PDT), "Robert M. Gary"
wrote in : On Jun 30, 3:11*pm, "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote: Mike wrote: What school of Constitutional authority do you subscribe to, if any? The 10th amendment.. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." No where in the constitution does it authorize a Social Security program. -Robert The Preamble to the Constitution We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquillity, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.” ... http://supreme.justia.com/constituti...l-welfare.html SPENDING FOR THE GENERAL WELFARE Scope of the Power The grant of power to “provide ... for the general welfare” raises a two-fold question: how may Congress provide for “the general welfare” and what is “the general welfare” that it is authorized to promote? The first half of this question was answered by Thomas Jefferson in his opinion on the Bank as follows: “[T]he laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union. In like manner, they are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose.”581 The clause, in short, is not an independent grant of power, but a qualification of the taxing power. |
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Bush Threatens Veto Of Any Bills That Don't Include User Fees For Everyone Talking To ATC!
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
... On Jun 30, 3:53 pm, "Mike" wrote: "Robert M. Gary" wrote in ... First answer my questions rather than snipping them and then we'll work on yours. Fair enough? Certainly not 1 in 20! If 1 in 20 Americans are wealthy (as you say) we're pretty amazing. Actually it's closer to 1 in 25, but now at least we have an idea of your take. Now, do you question my assumption that 90% of the population would consider someone making that kind of money wealthy? |
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Bush Threatens Veto Of Any Bills That Don't Include User Fees ForEveryone Talking To ATC!
On Jun 30, 5:01*pm, "Mike" wrote:
Now, do you question my assumption that 90% of the population would consider someone making that kind of money wealthy? yea, I think if you asked people "Who much money would you have to make a year to be wealthy?" They would say something like $500,000 or $1,000,000. |
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Bush Threatens Veto Of Any Bills That Don't Include User Fees For Everyone Talking To ATC!
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
... On Jun 30, 3:57 pm, "Mike" wrote: Everything? What does SS have to do with user fees? You apparently didn't read the first threads. The question was why isn't anyone talking about the effect of user fees in Obama is elected and the response is that we assume all taxes will go up as he has said SS will. Gees, keep up on your own, don't make me spoon feed you. You can't even keep up with what YOU said, Mr. economic expert. There you go with that "we" again. What is your pocket mouse's name, so at least I can have an idea of whom you're referring. |
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Bush Threatens Veto Of Any Bills That Don't Include User Fees ForEveryone Talking To ATC!
I have yet to hear how you claim this is not a tax increase. Then why do you keep pretending I did? *All I did was to take issue with the accuracy of YOUR claim, Mr. economic expert. What claim? I said "Obama has pre-announced that the payroll tax we are paying will increase". I even sent you a link. Now you are somehow trying to claim that charging more a year in social security tax is not an increase in payroll tax. I"m still waiting for you to find a response to that. I guess you can't since you just change the subject. -Robret |
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