What a shame; another military newsroup gone!

Just dropped by for a moment to take a look . Had a bit of aviation news but
no sense posting it really.
Take care all,

Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Just dropped by for a moment to take a look . Had a bit of aviation news
but
no sense posting it really.
Take care all,

Now *that's* a good attitude to take--surely that approach will solve the
problem of the myriad loonytune cross posters. Just roll over and do the
dying cockroach...

Brooks


Dudley Henriques

"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
...

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Just dropped by for a moment to take a look . Had a bit of aviation news
but
no sense posting it really.
Take care all,

Now *that's* a good attitude to take--surely that approach will solve the
problem of the myriad loonytune cross posters. Just roll over and do the
dying cockroach...

Amazing how adding just three lines to kill file made this group much more
readable.

Yama wrote:
Amazing how adding just three lines to kill file made this group much more
readable.


Exactomundo. A kill file, oddly enough, should be a living thing. I'm never
afraid to add to it. Generally speaking, a carefully chosen expression can have
almost universal effect, cleaning out pretty much all the crap and leaving the
rest intact.

I would never let off topic stuff run me off. Filter it instead...



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN


http://www.mortimerschnerd.com

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 16:37:14 GMT, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
wrote:

Yama wrote:
Amazing how adding just three lines to kill file made this group much more
readable.


Exactomundo. A kill file, oddly enough, should be a living thing. I'm never
afraid to add to it. Generally speaking, a carefully chosen expression can have
almost universal effect, cleaning out pretty much all the crap and leaving the
rest intact.

I would never let off topic stuff run me off. Filter it instead...

While what you say is true, what Dudley has pointed out is true as
well. I used to look forward each day to opening the newsreader and
entering a discussion in R.A.M. Now, the group is filled with
propagandists and petty bickering. The main posters are either
anonymous twits trolling for other twits, or a half-dozen so-called
experts who simply append one-liners to unedited 150 line posts
calling each other fools.

My kill-file grows daily, but much like spammers, the posting source
keeps mutating and as soon as one mole gets whacked another pops out
of a nearby hole.

Unfortunately, after the kill-file does its work, there isn't much
"there" there.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 16:37:14 GMT, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
wrote:

Yama wrote:
Amazing how adding just three lines to kill file made this group much
more
readable.


Exactomundo. A kill file, oddly enough, should be a living thing. I'm
never
afraid to add to it. Generally speaking, a carefully chosen expression
can have
almost universal effect, cleaning out pretty much all the crap and
leaving the
rest intact.

I would never let off topic stuff run me off. Filter it instead...

While what you say is true, what Dudley has pointed out is true as
well. I used to look forward each day to opening the newsreader and
entering a discussion in R.A.M. Now, the group is filled with
propagandists and petty bickering. The main posters are either
anonymous twits trolling for other twits, or a half-dozen so-called
experts who simply append one-liners to unedited 150 line posts
calling each other fools.

My kill-file grows daily, but much like spammers, the posting source
keeps mutating and as soon as one mole gets whacked another pops out
of a nearby hole.

Unfortunately, after the kill-file does its work, there isn't much
"there" there.

Oh come on, there are good threads on the F-22, F-18 and the Flanker hidden
in this garbage.None of it is the horray for me kind of thread, but it is
serious stuff.

Ed Rasimus wrote:

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 16:37:14 GMT, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
wrote:

Yama wrote:
Amazing how adding just three lines to kill file made this group much more
readable.


Exactomundo. A kill file, oddly enough, should be a living thing. I'm never
afraid to add to it. Generally speaking, a carefully chosen expression can have
almost universal effect, cleaning out pretty much all the crap and leaving the
rest intact.

I would never let off topic stuff run me off. Filter it instead...

While what you say is true, what Dudley has pointed out is true as
well. I used to look forward each day to opening the newsreader and
entering a discussion in R.A.M. Now, the group is filled with
propagandists and petty bickering. The main posters are either
anonymous twits trolling for other twits, or a half-dozen so-called
experts who simply append one-liners to unedited 150 line posts
calling each other fools.

My kill-file grows daily, but much like spammers, the posting source
keeps mutating and as soon as one mole gets whacked another pops out
of a nearby hole.

Unfortunately, after the kill-file does its work, there isn't much
"there" there.

Which is why we need the posters like Dudley who actually provide the quality
on-topic content we're here for, to stick around, not bail. The NG has survived all
the kooks and blind partisans who came out for Kosovo, Afghanistan, and Iraq, the
2000 election et al, not to mention the perennial monomaniacs (Iranair, USS Liberty,
Flight 800, etc.). Surviving campaign 2004 is just more of the same, although I
agree that the continued growth of people with internet access inevitably has led to
more off-topic posts. It's just part of the price we pay, and I've gotten handier
using my kill file. The other thing is for us to stay resolutely on charter with our
posts and ignore all the others so that they swiftly die out, but that's a
restriction we've all broken at one time or another.

Of course, if anyone knows of a good restricted subscription mailing list for the
same subject with after-the-fact moderation that will eliminate the chaff, by all
means let's hear about it. Or if someone is willing to host and moderate one (again,
only after the fact if someone complains, by issuing warnings or if necessary
suspending/banning people's subscriptions), go for it. We could start one on Yahoo
easily enough, or for that matter, there are already several in the recreation and
sports/aviation/military category that might serve. I subscribe to a couple of
semi-related ones which have far higher S/N ratios than this or many other NGs, but
as usual they tend to be harder for new posters to find. But there's nothing
stopping us from placing a recurring ad for it here, much as the FAQ notice recurs.

Would there be enough interest to do so, or are we willing to wait out the current
storm of political bumph? Let's see a show of hands as to how many people here would
want to start such a group. If there are enough, I might even be willing to moderate
it (more accurately, control the subscription list), especially if I could get a few
other volunteers to help screen subscription applications. I can think of several
regular r.a.m. posters who wouldn't make the cut, thus lessening the message volume
and aggravation level considerably, or we could put membership applications up to a
vote.

Guy

In article ,
Ed Rasimus writes:
On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 16:37:14 GMT, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
wrote:

Yama wrote:
Amazing how adding just three lines to kill file made this group much more
readable.


Exactomundo. A kill file, oddly enough, should be a living thing. I'm never
afraid to add to it. Generally speaking, a carefully chosen expression can have
almost universal effect, cleaning out pretty much all the crap and leaving the
rest intact.

I would never let off topic stuff run me off. Filter it instead...

While what you say is true, what Dudley has pointed out is true as
well. I used to look forward each day to opening the newsreader and
entering a discussion in R.A.M. Now, the group is filled with
propagandists and petty bickering. The main posters are either
anonymous twits trolling for other twits, or a half-dozen so-called
experts who simply append one-liners to unedited 150 line posts
calling each other fools.

My kill-file grows daily, but much like spammers, the posting source
keeps mutating and as soon as one mole gets whacked another pops out
of a nearby hole.

Unfortunately, after the kill-file does its work, there isn't much
"there" there.

Ed,
It's tough, but, this too will pass. (Although the posting volumes
of some of the more egregious idiots is absolutely amazing. Tempest
managed to chunk out something like 30,000 posts in less than 6
months, at normalized volume of over 100/day. That kinda implies a
bit of multiple personality, as it were) I've found that the most
effective filter, other than the Usual Gang of Idiots, was to cit my
Crosspost Tolerance such that I was rejecting anything posted to
more than 4 groups.
As for the rest, I'll read a few, and, for the most part, pull my
steel pot over my ears and huddle in the bottom of my slit trench
until the barrage is over, which I expect most folks are doing.

The current Idiotstorm has done wonders for my World View, however.
I'd been worried for the longest time about how well the
U.S. Education System had been stacking up worldwide. The influx of
immaturity from various Europeans, A few select Aussies, and a
smattering of Canadians, (and, of course, Michael P.) have convinced
me that worldwide, we're not soing such a bad job.


--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

My kill-file grows daily, but much like spammers, the posting source
keeps mutating and as soon as one mole gets whacked another pops out
of a nearby hole.

I have rules of fame and rules of shame. The killfile is pretty big, yes,
but I also have "positive rules", that highlight in red the posts from the
people I always enjoy reading. Granted it is a lot of black and precious few
red lines, but then again, quality counts ;-)
_____________
José Herculano

In article ,
"Kevin Brooks" wrote:

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Just dropped by for a moment to take a look . Had a bit of aviation news
but
no sense posting it really.
Take care all,

Now *that's* a good attitude to take--surely that approach will solve the
problem of the myriad loonytune cross posters. Just roll over and do the
dying cockroach...

Just do what I've been doing.

Post things back in the non-relevant subjects, while deleting RAM from
the newsgroups line.

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.