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Where can I train in a PW-6? Seminole Lake's is down formaintenance for a couple of months
Just to point out... the OP was looking for training in a pw6. While it's already been stated, there's a brand new one in Chilhowee TN and you'd get to fly with one of the best in the world... That's where I'd go!
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Where can I train in a PW-6? Seminole Lake's is down for maintenance for a couple of months
At 21:35 07 September 2017, kirk.stant wrote:
On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 1:30:05 PM UTC-5, Paul T wrote: Entry point club class $20-25k Entry point Std class $60k+ Entry point 15m class $ 80k+ Entry point 18m class $ 150k+ Entry point 20m class $150 k+ Entry point Open class $ 200k+ Entry point for ex World Class $20-25k. Entry point for 13.5m Class $100k+ and we wonder why the sport is in decline? If anyone wants a nice entry-level 15m glider I'll happily sell my LS6-b for $79,999. Proven contest racer able to keep up with -27s on a good day (especially in weaker eastern conditions) with a good stick actuator. 66 I'll give you 80k when an LS6B wins a 15m class Worlds again. :-) |
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Where can I train in a PW-6? Seminole Lake's is down formaintenance for a couple of months
On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 9:15:06 AM UTC-5, Paul T wrote:
I'll give you 80k when an LS6B wins a 15m class Worlds again. :-) Will you give $80K for an LS6A that won the 15M Worlds? |
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Where can I train in a PW-6? Seminole Lake's is down formaintenance for a couple of months
On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 9:15:06 AM UTC-5, Paul T wrote:
I'll give you 80k when an LS6B wins a 15m class Worlds again. :-) How about one that won a Regional not too long ago? ;^) 66 |
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Where can I train in a PW-6? Seminole Lake's is down formaintenance for a couple of months
On 9/8/2017 9:33 AM, Steve Leonard wrote: On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 9:15:06 AM UTC-5, Paul T wrote: I'll give you 80k when an LS6B wins a 15m class Worlds again. :-) Will you give $80K for an LS6A that won the 15M Worlds? You should!Â* I flew it for 650 wonderful hours.Â* Great ship! -- Dan, 5J |
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Where can I train in a PW-6? Seminole Lake's is down for maintenance for a couple of months
On Thu, 07 Sep 2017 02:38:37 +0000, Paul T
wrote: REALLY???? and what are the numbers in 13.5m class? - lower than any World Class event? The idea to have a relatively affordable ship that could be used as a first solo ship in clubs, then to compete with on a level playing field at an international level was a far better idea than another racing class for the rich boys. The point ios still valid: For the price of a PW-5 you get an older Standard Class glider (perfectly suited for Club Class cometitions today) with vastly superior performance. Recent history has proven that glider pilots are not willing to fly something with the performance of 60 years ago. Trouble is this sport at national and intentional level is dominated by spoilt rich boys who turn up their noses at anything less than 40:1. I don't know about your club, but the 15-year-old student pilots in my club fly DG-300 and ASW-24. The 38:1 Mistral-C is being regarded as too-badd-performance, not to mention the first solo glider, the Ka-8. If they want to compete, they fly Club Class or Standard Class. In case you didn't get it: There are more and more people who are willing to buy a self-launcher - and these light 13.5m toys perfectly fit into this market niche. |
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Where can I train in a PW-6? Seminole Lake's is down for maintenance for a couple of months
On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 08:07:19 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Hoult
wrote: The PW5 story stalled because there was just no incentive to buy a brand new, very ugly glider when you can have more performance for less money by buying a nice looking Cirrus. That's only possible in a declining sport. Even in a growong sport people are not willing to invest serious money into something that is a 50-years step backwards. |
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Where can I train in a PW-6? Seminole Lake's is down for maintenance for a couple of months
On Thu, 07 Sep 2017 17:17:26 +0000, Paul T
wrote: NO there hasn't always been the Club Class - that didn't evolve until the 90's - and that took awhile to get established for the same reasons. You think a Std. Cirrus is nice looking? Looks like a humped back whale to me - always thought it was the ugliest of the first generation Std. Class ships. My club organized a the German Club Class Championchips in 1986, and even then it was anything but new. In 1990 it was around at least 15 years in Europe, and it was a huge success right from the start. |
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Where can I train in a PW-6? Seminole Lake's is down for maintenance for a couple of months
At 20:40 09 September 2017, Andreas Maurer wrote:
On Thu, 07 Sep 2017 17:17:26 +0000, Paul T wrote: NO there hasn't always been the Club Class - that didn't evolve until the 90's - and that took awhile to get established for the same reasons. You think a Std. Cirrus is nice looking? Looks like a humped back whale to me - always thought it was the ugliest of the first generation Std. Class ships. My club organized a the German Club Class Championchips in 1986, and even then it was anything but new. In 1990 it was around at least 15 years in Europe, and it was a huge success right from the start. Yes but Germany is not the world and I would say for the majority of national aeroclubs Club Class did not get fully established until the 1990's and indeed the first 'World Championship' was 2001 , after the World Class whose first championship was in 1997. Indeed I can remember there was some 'sloth'/resistance to the implementation of Club Class in the UK, and the USA is still trying to get its act together on this class. Indeed their is still some 'snobbery' around, that views Club Class as a training class to move up to the 'real' FAI classes. This still does not take away from the fact that we now have 6 FAI classes for fairly wealthy individuals, and 1 class for the normal income guys- 'Club Class' - and a rapidly declining number of pilots. The 13.5 m class with an entry point to buy a competitive ship at least equal to 15m class does not in my opinion help the situation. Over reliance on only fairly wealthy individuals being able to be competitive at national and international level is not going to grow the sport. You are lucky that you fly in Germany where there is fairly easy access to competitive club ships - for example in the UK there are no civilian clubs with access to even a competitive standard class ship i.e. Discus 2/LS8, and very few, maybe 2-3 clubs in the USA and Canada. Maybe a few more clubs with access to a Duo Discus/DG1001 which I suppose you could use in 20M class. |
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Where can I train in a PW-6? Seminole Lake's is down formaintenance for a couple of months
Well, its basically the same in Germany, France, Italy, Austria and Switzerland (which together account for a huge part of world wide soaring population): You don't need to buy a ship for competition, you just take a club ship. In our club, we have 2x ASK21, 2x DuoDiscus, 2x LS4, 2x LS18-18.
But in the end, 90% of soaring pilots don't care about competitions, so the idea that competition classes have an influence on population is rather crude... |
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