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Old July 16th 04, 09:38 PM
Mike
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Signal jamming a factor in future wars, general says
Saddam Hussein's failed attempt to jam U.S. Global Positioning System
navigation signals during the Iraq war is an example of the growing
danger of space warfare, the Air Force's top space commander said
yesterday.
at http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...0137-1548r.htm
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Old July 16th 04, 10:51 PM
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Signal jamming a factor in future wars, general says
Saddam Hussein's failed attempt to jam U.S. Global Positioning System
navigation signals during the Iraq war is an example of the growing
danger of space warfare, the Air Force's top space commander said
yesterday.
at http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...0137-1548r.htm


Yes, wasnt it rather funny how trying to jam signals is just a big homing
beacon too?

They figured quite quickly how to make a weapon to home right on in that
jamming signal.
Those "jammers" were eliminated rather quickly.


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Old July 16th 04, 10:54 PM
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Signal jamming a factor in future wars, general says
Saddam Hussein's failed attempt to jam U.S. Global Positioning System
navigation signals during the Iraq war is an example of the growing
danger of space warfare, the Air Force's top space commander said
yesterday.
at


The General seems to be very much preoccupied with historical victories aganist
Iraq,Afghanistan,Greneda,Panama,Somali,Zambia etc.
If I were in his shoes I would be much more concerned about some EM
transmissions that could not even be intercepted,much less be jammed.
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Old July 16th 04, 11:40 PM
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Yes, wasnt it rather funny how trying to jam signals is just a big homing
beacon too?

They figured quite quickly how to make a weapon to home right on in that
jamming signal.
Those "jammers" were eliminated


rather quickly.


I doubt it,how could thousands of low cost jammers be eliminated quickly?
Even if they could be eliminated eventually cost benefit outcome of a such
operation would not be very favorable.
Such jammers cost less than one Grand and Iraqis had only 6 or 7 of them,thanks
to international embargo.
So its not very hard to imagine what whould happen if they had 6000-7000
instead of 6 or 7.
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Old July 17th 04, 12:25 AM
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In article ,
(Denyav) wrote:

Yes, wasnt it rather funny how trying to jam signals is just a big homing
beacon too?

They figured quite quickly how to make a weapon to home right on in
that jamming signal. Those "jammers" were eliminated rather quickly.


I doubt it,how could thousands of low cost jammers be eliminated quickly?


More to the point, how could thousands of such devices be *managed* by
anyone except a high-tech, high dollar military?

If they ran them off wall current, they'd lose them when the power went
out, and if they ran them off batteries, they'd spend a *lot* of money
just keeping them powered.

Even if they could be eliminated eventually cost benefit outcome of a
such operation would not be very favorable. Such jammers cost less
than one Grand and Iraqis had only 6 or 7 of them,thanks to
international embargo. So its not very hard to imagine what whould
happen if they had 6000-7000 instead of 6 or 7.


They'd spend several million dollars a month trying to keep them
working, and realize that they didn't have the infrastructure to keep
them going after about month three. You have to keep moving them
around, too, since they'd become nothing more than spotting points if
you don't, and give the incoming munitions something else to refer to.

Unless you spend a lot more money on them, they're also very vulnerable
to the newer EMP weapons.

The "piles of cheap low-power jammers" idea is nice, as long as you
don't have to keep using them.

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Old July 17th 04, 10:08 AM
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"Denyav" wrote in message
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Yes, wasnt it rather funny how trying to jam signals is just a big homing
beacon too?

They figured quite quickly how to make a weapon to home right on in that
jamming signal.
Those "jammers" were eliminated


rather quickly.


I doubt it,how could thousands of low cost jammers be eliminated quickly?
Even if they could be eliminated eventually cost benefit outcome of a such
operation would not be very favorable.
Such jammers cost less than one Grand and Iraqis had only 6 or 7 of

them,thanks
to international embargo.
So its not very hard to imagine what whould happen if they had 6000-7000
instead of 6 or 7.


Isn't it true that the "jammers" they found in Iraq, were only good for
small area jamming? By the time the weapon got within that area, it was
probably too late to prevent it hitting its target due to ballistics etc?



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Old July 17th 04, 01:52 PM
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Chad Irby wrote:

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Unless you spend a lot more money on them, they're also very vulnerable
to the newer EMP weapons.


In WWII the real secret weapon (proximity fuses) could only be used over
water until mid 44,in the UK with the V1 and not over enemy territory intil
the start of 45. The reason was fear of of copying a dud shell as the
allies had more to lose.

What is the better target for EMP weapons a GPS jammer or the NY stock
exchange?

The "piles of cheap low-power jammers" idea is nice, as long as you
don't have to keep using them.


At a rough guess the cost for a 1W jammer using cellphone components would
be ~$5, just keep sending them up with balloons (add $1).

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Old July 17th 04, 07:25 PM
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Gee, now why didn't they think of the possibility of GPS system jamming
twenty years ago when they invented it? Do you really think that was
overlooked? The general sounds like he was just creating a strawman argument
to justify more DOD budget money!

WDA

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Signal jamming a factor in future wars, general says
Saddam Hussein's failed attempt to jam U.S. Global Positioning System
navigation signals during the Iraq war is an example of the growing
danger of space warfare, the Air Force's top space commander said
yesterday.
at http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...0137-1548r.htm



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Old July 17th 04, 10:38 PM
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In message , W. D. Allen Sr.
writes
Gee, now why didn't they think of the possibility of GPS system jamming
twenty years ago when they invented it? Do you really think that was
overlooked?


Let's split the difference and say it got lost somewhere along the way.
(Otherwise, why would CCM against GPS jammers be a profitable business,
if the system was inherently resistant?)

The general sounds like he was just creating a strawman argument
to justify more DOD budget money!


Are you claiming it *isn't* easy to jam many GPS receivers?

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Old July 17th 04, 11:09 PM
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In article ,
Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message , W. D. Allen Sr.
writes
Gee, now why didn't they think of the possibility of GPS system jamming
twenty years ago when they invented it? Do you really think that was
overlooked?


Let's split the difference and say it got lost somewhere along the way.
(Otherwise, why would CCM against GPS jammers be a profitable business,
if the system was inherently resistant?)


Some creative Russian printed up some ACME GPS Jamming System
brochures and took SH for some of his money ?



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