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Complex endorsement question
I already have a high-performance sign-off with several hours in a
C182 and a couple in a Bonanza. I have found a couple of places which rent a C172RG for a reasonable price. My goal is to be get my commercial and I'm starting to work on my IFR. With that in mind, I'm looking at taking at least part of the IFR training in the 172RG. How many hours does it normally take to get a sign-off and what training will involved in getting it? To ask it a different way, what differences will I need to learn other than the the max gear down speed and remembering to lower the gear? I know the high performance retracts means flying a more slipperly airplane which means the need to plan altitude and speed for the landing a lot further in advance than a fixed gear.. (at least that was the case with the Bonanza). thanks, John |
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On Feb 22, 7:19*pm, john wrote:
I already have a high-performance sign-off with several hours in a C182 and a couple in a Bonanza. *I have found a couple of places which rent a C172RG for a reasonable price. *My goal is to be get my commercial and I'm starting to work on my IFR. *With that in mind, I'm looking at taking at least part of the IFR training in the 172RG. If you are working on your commercial the complex will just come with it. The sign of for complex is really about being able to handle more systems at once. -Robert, CFII |
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Thanks for the information. I'm considering it for a few reasons -
1) An older 172RG is renting cheaper than a newer 172. ($110 compared with $114). 2) Getting a commerical is one thing, but insurance and job requirements will usually require more than just the 10 hrs required for the commercial. 3) X-C trips are nicer during the times when I want to get somewhere a little faster. 4) Not as many pilots rent the RG. Most renters are student pilots, or pilots just out having fun and aren't interested in an older model. (No auto-pilot or panel GPS???). As a result, it is more likely to be available when I want to fly. If you are working on your commercial the complex will just come with it. The sign of for complex is really about being able to handle more systems at once. -Robert, CFII |
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I've never flown a 172RG. Does it have a variable pitch prop?
"john" wrote in message ... Thanks for the information. I'm considering it for a few reasons - 1) An older 172RG is renting cheaper than a newer 172. ($110 compared with $114). 2) Getting a commerical is one thing, but insurance and job requirements will usually require more than just the 10 hrs required for the commercial. 3) X-C trips are nicer during the times when I want to get somewhere a little faster. 4) Not as many pilots rent the RG. Most renters are student pilots, or pilots just out having fun and aren't interested in an older model. (No auto-pilot or panel GPS???). As a result, it is more likely to be available when I want to fly. If you are working on your commercial the complex will just come with it. The sign of for complex is really about being able to handle more systems at once. -Robert, CFII |
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john wrote:
I already have a high-performance sign-off with several hours in a C182 and a couple in a Bonanza. I have found a couple of places which rent a C172RG for a reasonable price. My goal is to be get my commercial and I'm starting to work on my IFR. With that in mind, I'm looking at taking at least part of the IFR training in the 172RG. How many hours does it normally take to get a sign-off and what training will involved in getting it? To ask it a different way, what differences will I need to learn other than the the max gear down speed and remembering to lower the gear? I know the high performance retracts means flying a more slipperly airplane which means the need to plan altitude and speed for the landing a lot further in advance than a fixed gear.. (at least that was the case with the Bonanza). Depends. The local FBO requires 5 hours dual for a complex sign-off and permission to fly their airplanes solo. Part of that is their insurance requirement. Basically, it is operate the engine controls properly along with gear normal and emergency operations along with a bunch of landings and takeoffs to see if you do it all correctly. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Stan Prevost wrote:
I've never flown a 172RG. Does it have a variable pitch prop? It's a mini C-210... in everything but carrying capacity. Retractable gear, constant speed prop, cowl flaps, rudder trim. I always thought they were nice flying and they're quicker than a normal C-172. Given the OP's choices between the older RG and the newer SP, I'd pick the RG every time... unless one's a dog and the other one isn't. But a RG in good condition is good flying. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com |
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if he's flying solo in the Bonanza... then he should already have a complex
endorsement. yes, part of the Commercial PTS does require a complex aircraft.. but the endorsement does not come with the check ride B "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message ... On Feb 22, 7:19 pm, john wrote: I already have a high-performance sign-off with several hours in a C182 and a couple in a Bonanza. I have found a couple of places which rent a C172RG for a reasonable price. My goal is to be get my commercial and I'm starting to work on my IFR. With that in mind, I'm looking at taking at least part of the IFR training in the 172RG. If you are working on your commercial the complex will just come with it. The sign of for complex is really about being able to handle more systems at once. -Robert, CFII |
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The Bonanza was with an instructor, and in order to rent it solo, the
insurance requires 500 hrs total, IFR cert, and 50 hrs in type. It will be awhile before I fly it solo. I would have to check, but I think the insurance requirements on his C337s are less strict. On Feb 23, 11:07*am, "BT" wrote: if he's flying solo in the Bonanza... then he should already have a complex endorsement. yes, part of the Commercial PTS does require a complex aircraft.. but the endorsement does not come with the check ride B "Robert M. Gary" wrote in ... On Feb 22, 7:19 pm, john wrote: I already have a high-performance sign-off with several hours in a C182 and a couple in a Bonanza. I have found a couple of places which rent a C172RG for a reasonable price. My goal is to be get my commercial and I'm starting to work on my IFR. With that in mind, I'm looking at taking at least part of the IFR training in the 172RG. If you are working on your commercial the complex will just come with it. The sign of for complex is really about being able to handle more systems at once. -Robert, CFII |
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"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in
: Stan Prevost wrote: I've never flown a 172RG. Does it have a variable pitch prop? It's a mini C-210... in everything but carrying capacity. Retractable gear, constant speed prop, cowl flaps, rudder trim. I always thought they were nice flying and they're quicker than a normal C-172. Given the OP's choices between the older RG and the newer SP, I'd pick the RG every time... unless one's a dog and the other one isn't. But a RG in good condition is good flying. ?? Really? I flew a few of them brand new from the factory and wondered why they bothered. Bertie |
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"BT" wrote in :
if he's flying solo in the Bonanza... then he should already have a complex endorsement. yes, part of the Commercial PTS does require a complex aircraft.. but the endorsement does not come with the check ride IIRC the horsepower requirement for the commercial is 180 while the watershed for high performance horsepower is 200. A pilot needs to be signed off for each aspect of the high performance reg. We used to have to sign guys off for Stearmans, for example, but only for the HP restriction. Bertie |
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