More fuel for thought

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On Apr 14, 4:09 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
On Apr 14, 5:02 pm, "Private" wrote:

I just found this on another forum, facts not verified, no commentary
made.

Huge Dakota oil pool could change energy climate debate

Dems also decided that drilling in the Gulf of Mexico would be too
damaging for the environment so they are letting the Chinese do it
instead.

-Robert

You've got your facts wrong. The Outer Continental Shelf Moratorium to
which you refer was passed in 1981 and signed by Ronald Reagan.

Because, at the time, Reagan knew that his de-reg would provide ample
petroleum, and he was right.


The
law has to be renewed on a yearly basis, which it has been by every
president and congress since then, including the current one. In
addition, in 1991 Bush Sr. added Leasing Deferrals which automatically
extended it to 2002.

So what's THEIR hangup?

The current president also renewed the treaty that cedes oil rights to
a significant portion of the Florida Straits to Cuba, which in turn
leases their rights to the Chinese and others.

Which indicates the Republicrat (nee: statist) Congress needs a massive
enema.

None of this information is difficult to find.

On Apr 14, 5:09 pm, Dan Luke wrote:

Fred Singer?

Haw-haw-haw!

Hey, genius; tell us how the falsification process works in the scientific
method, and how your hysterical pals are NOT missing the point.

{crickets chirping}

Matt W. Barrow wrote:

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On Apr 14, 5:02 pm, "Private" wrote:
I just found this on another forum, facts not verified, no commentary
made.

Huge Dakota oil pool could change energy climate debate

By Dennis T. Avery
web posted April 14, 2008

Al Gore is launching a $300 million ad campaign to support the banning
of fossil fuels. But our faith in man-made global warming will now be
tested by news that up to 400 billion barrels of light, sweet crude
oil for America's future can be pumped from under Manitoba and North
Dakota. That's more oil than Saudi Arabia and Russia put together.

The US Geological Survey begs to differ:

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911

They say 3 to 4.3 Billion Barrels. At our current rate of consumption
-- about 20 million barrels per day -- that would last us about 6
months. Not sure where the 400 billion figure comes from.

USGS said that Northern Slope Alaska would be depleted by about the early
80's, too.

Back in the early 1900's, they aid we would run out of oil by 1920...then
1940...then 1960...then...

Yep.

Strange people those oil producers, they keep improving the recovery
technology and getting more oil out of formerly "dry" holes.

What, is there someone that believes oil forms in a big pool and all
of it gets sucked out with a big pipe?

--
Jim Pennino

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On Apr 14, 6:21 pm, "Matt W. Barrow"
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On Apr 14, 4:09 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
On Apr 14, 5:02 pm, "Private" wrote:

I just found this on another forum, facts not verified, no commentary
made.

Huge Dakota oil pool could change energy climate debate

Dems also decided that drilling in the Gulf of Mexico would be too
damaging for the environment so they are letting the Chinese do it
instead.

-Robert

You've got your facts wrong. The Outer Continental Shelf Moratorium to
which you refer was passed in 1981 and signed by Ronald Reagan.

Because, at the time, Reagan knew that his de-reg would provide ample
petroleum, and he was right.

The
law has to be renewed on a yearly basis, which it has been by every
president and congress since then, including the current one. In
addition, in 1991 Bush Sr. added Leasing Deferrals which automatically
extended it to 2002.

So what's THEIR hangup?

The current president also renewed the treaty that cedes oil rights to
a significant portion of the Florida Straits to Cuba, which in turn
leases their rights to the Chinese and others.

Which indicates the Republicrat (nee: statist) Congress needs a massive
enema.

I was merely pointing out some common fallicies about offshore
drilling.

On Apr 14, 6:10 pm, "Matt W. Barrow"
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On Apr 14, 5:02 pm, "Private" wrote:
I just found this on another forum, facts not verified, no commentary
made.

Huge Dakota oil pool could change energy climate debate

By Dennis T. Avery
web posted April 14, 2008

Al Gore is launching a $300 million ad campaign to support the banning
of fossil fuels. But our faith in man-made global warming will now be
tested by news that up to 400 billion barrels of light, sweet crude
oil for America's future can be pumped from under Manitoba and North
Dakota. That's more oil than Saudi Arabia and Russia put together.

The US Geological Survey begs to differ:

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911

They say 3 to 4.3 Billion Barrels. At our current rate of consumption
-- about 20 million barrels per day -- that would last us about 6
months. Not sure where the 400 billion figure comes from.

USGS said that Northern Slope Alaska would be depleted by about the early
80's, too.

Back in the early 1900's, they aid we would run out of oil by 1920...then
1940...then 1960...then...


According to their press release, "USGS worked with the North Dakota
Geological Survey, a number of petroleum
industry companies..." to reach this assessment. It's difficult to
imagine that petroleum companies, of all people, would underestimate a
potential oil reserve by a factor of 100 to 1.

On Apr 14, 9:48 pm, wrote:
On Apr 14, 6:10 pm, "Matt W. Barrow"
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On Apr 14, 5:02 pm, "Private" wrote:
I just found this on another forum, facts not verified, no commentary
made.

Huge Dakota oil pool could change energy climate debate

By Dennis T. Avery
web posted April 14, 2008

Al Gore is launching a $300 million ad campaign to support the banning
of fossil fuels. But our faith in man-made global warming will now be
tested by news that up to 400 billion barrels of light, sweet crude
oil for America's future can be pumped from under Manitoba and North
Dakota. That's more oil than Saudi Arabia and Russia put together.

The US Geological Survey begs to differ:

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911

They say 3 to 4.3 Billion Barrels. At our current rate of consumption
-- about 20 million barrels per day -- that would last us about 6
months. Not sure where the 400 billion figure comes from.

USGS said that Northern Slope Alaska would be depleted by about the early
80's, too.

Back in the early 1900's, they aid we would run out of oil by 1920...then
1940...then 1960...then...

According to their press release, "USGS worked with the North Dakota
Geological Survey, a number of petroleum
industry companies..." to reach this assessment. It's difficult to
imagine that petroleum companies, of all people, would underestimate a
potential oil reserve by a factor of 100 to 1.

If I am not mistaken, current world consumption is about 85 million
barrels per day. The 4 billion barrels will last 50 days. I don't
understand the reason for celebration.

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:23:15 -0700, "Matt W. Barrow" wrote:




Fred Singer?

Haw-haw-haw!

Hey, genius; tell us how the falsification process works in the scientific
method, and how your hysterical pals are NOT missing the point.

{crickets chirping}

You're babbling, Barrow.

And when it comes to crickets chirping, you're a regular live bait
stand.

The ol' Perfesser's CO2 argument?

Relative humidity?

On Apr 14, 7:16 pm, Andrew Sarangan wrote:
On Apr 14, 9:48 pm, wrote:



On Apr 14, 6:10 pm, "Matt W. Barrow"
wrote:

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On Apr 14, 5:02 pm, "Private" wrote:
I just found this on another forum, facts not verified, no commentary
made.

Huge Dakota oil pool could change energy climate debate

By Dennis T. Avery
web posted April 14, 2008

Al Gore is launching a $300 million ad campaign to support the banning
of fossil fuels. But our faith in man-made global warming will now be
tested by news that up to 400 billion barrels of light, sweet crude
oil for America's future can be pumped from under Manitoba and North
Dakota. That's more oil than Saudi Arabia and Russia put together.

The US Geological Survey begs to differ:

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911

They say 3 to 4.3 Billion Barrels. At our current rate of consumption
-- about 20 million barrels per day -- that would last us about 6
months. Not sure where the 400 billion figure comes from.

USGS said that Northern Slope Alaska would be depleted by about the early
80's, too.

Back in the early 1900's, they aid we would run out of oil by 1920...then
1940...then 1960...then...

According to their press release, "USGS worked with the North Dakota
Geological Survey, a number of petroleum
industry companies..." to reach this assessment. It's difficult to
imagine that petroleum companies, of all people, would underestimate a
potential oil reserve by a factor of 100 to 1.

If I am not mistaken, current world consumption is about 85 million
barrels per day. The 4 billion barrels will last 50 days. I don't
understand the reason for celebration.


When you're addicted to something, even a tiny amount is cause for
celebration.

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:02:41 -0700, "Matt W. Barrow" wrote:
outh.net wrote:

Fred Singer?

Haw-haw-haw!

Typical response from the clueless.

:Certainly not alone...
:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ng_consens us

And Fred Singer was soundly beaten in a debate with that emminant scientist,
Al Gore.

Haw!

Who cares?


They did have a debate, didn't they? Hey, Dan, when you boy going to show
his stuff?

{crickets chirping}


"when you boy going to show his stuff?"

Eh?

Are you drunk, Matty?


Oh...and Fred Singer is an Exxon-Mobil whore and a liar. When's the
last time he published any peer reviewed research?

*Now* I hear the crickets.

If I am not mistaken, current world consumption is about 85 million
barrels per day. The 4 billion barrels will last 50 days. I don't
understand the reason for celebration.


When you're addicted to something, even a tiny amount is cause for
celebration.

Whether it's 4 billion, or 400 billion barrels -- who cares? It's *ours*.

Develop those fields now, and it's *that* much less oil we have to import
from the Arabs. This is what's called a "good thing" no matter how you cut
it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"