Man Falls out of 152

A friend of mine told me he was following this news story where 2 men
were flying in a 152 somewhere in Texas. While making a turn to the
right, the passenger fell out of the plane. This was a few days ago and
my friend hasn't heard any updates. Anyone here know about this and
heard anything else? The whole thing sounds a little fishy to me.


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Chris W wrote:
A friend of mine told me he was following this news story where 2 men
were flying in a 152 somewhere in Texas. While making a turn to the
right, the passenger fell out of the plane. This was a few days ago and
my friend hasn't heard any updates. Anyone here know about this and
heard anything else? The whole thing sounds a little fishy to me.


Not possible to fall out of a 152 even if there was no door. Go sit in
one sometime and it will become readily apparent.

Newps wrote:

Not possible to fall out of a 152 even if there was no door. Go sit in
one sometime and it will become readily apparent.



I've been in a 152 before, it was several years ago, but I distinctly
remember that it was very difficult to get in and out, I could hardly
get my knee past the opening. I think it would be much easier to "fall"
out head first though.

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"Chris W" wrote in message
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A friend of mine told me he was following this news story where 2 men
were flying in a 152 somewhere in Texas. While making a turn to the
right, the passenger fell out of the plane. This was a few days ago and
my friend hasn't heard any updates. Anyone here know about this and
heard anything else? The whole thing sounds a little fishy to me.


Was it this one? Anyway, every now and then the news will report on someone
committing suicide this way.

NTSB Identification: FTW03LA041.
The docket is stored in the Docket Management System (DMS). Please contact
Public Inquiries
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Sunday, November 17, 2002 in Houston, TX
Probable Cause Approval Date: 9/30/2003
Aircraft: Cessna 152, registration: N4794P
Injuries: 1 Fatal, 1 Uninjured.
When the private pilot scheduled the instructional flight, he stated that he
had an ear operation and needed to see how his ears would feel at altitude
before he went for an FAA medical certificate. He also stated that he was
contemplating doing some aerial photography, and wanted to see how the
aerial visibility was from the airplane during turns at altitude. He flew
the airplane to an altitude of 9,500 feet msl where he opened the left
window, stated that he wanted to check his ears, and requested that the CFI
fly the airplane. The private pilot made two request for the CFI to increase
the angle of bank. Subsequently, the flight instructor increased the turn to
45-degree bank and started a 300 to 500 foot per minute descent rate. The
CFI heard a "noise that sounded like maybe the seat belt hitting the side of
the [air]plane" and the CFI looked to his left and saw the private pilot
exiting the airplane. The CFI noticed the #1 radio was already tuned to
121.5 MHz (emergency frequency). The CFI notified the controller that the
private pilot had exited the airplane. The CFI landed the airplane without
incident. Examination of the aircraft restraint system and the left cabin
door did not reveal any discrepancies. Evidence and statements obtained by
friends and co-workers of the private pilot indicated an ongoing treatment
for depression and a recent intent to take his own life by using an
aircraft. A note found in the private pilot's vehicle stated in part: "I'm
tired of being depressed. I've been this way for almost 2 months. I'm about
ready to do anything to stop feeling this way."

The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of
this accident as follows:

The dual student's intentional suicide by exiting from the airplane during
descent. A contributing factor was the psychological condition of the dual
student.

C J Campbell wrote:

Was it this one? Anyway, every now and then the news will report on
someone
committing suicide this way.

NTSB Identification: FTW03LA041. . . .

That sounds a lot like what he was telling me but he made it sound like
it happened recently, he also gave a town and it wasn't Huston, I would
have remembered that. I will have to print this out and show him next
time I see him and see if this is what he read about. Thanks for the
report.

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"C J Campbell"
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s)
of
this accident as follows:

The dual student's intentional suicide by exiting from the airplane during
descent. A contributing factor was the psychological condition of the dual
student.


IIRC, it was a darn funny thread!!!

What? It's not like the guy landed on anyone :-)

Montblack

"Montblack" wrote in message
...
"C J Campbell"
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable
cause(s)
of
this accident as follows:

The dual student's intentional suicide by exiting from the airplane
during
descent. A contributing factor was the psychological condition of the
dual
student.


IIRC, it was a darn funny thread!!!

What? It's not like the guy landed on anyone :-)

The only thing I remember about the thread was whether the instructor
could/should have prevented the man from turning himself into a human lawn
dart and whether the instructor was telling the truth that he did not notice
the man opening the door.

Of course, anyone who would try this probably could not care less if they
landed on someone. People who are that depressed are invariably so wrapped
up in themselves and their imaginary problems that the rest of the world
barely exists for them. In fact, one of the reasons they kill themselves is
to hurt others. "They'll be sorry when I'm gone" is a common refrain.

It is really too bad. Depression is often treatable and usually temporary.
Most people suffer varying degrees of depression at some time in their
lives. It would be a heck of a note if we just let them all kill themselves.

I've got to take issue with you on this statement: "People who are that
depressed are invariably so wrapped up in themselves and their imaginary
problems that the rest of the world barely exists for them. In fact, one of
the reasons they kill themselves is to hurt others. "They'll be sorry when
I'm gone" is a common refrain."

"Imaginary problems"? - There are always hypochondriacs with imaginary
problems, but most people who suffer from depression are dealing with very
real problems. And it is these real problems that frequently trigger or
exacerbate depression. And there is also depression that is the result of a
chemical imbalance in the brain, which may have no connections with a
sufferers problems (or lack thereof).

"In fact, one of the reasons they kill themselves is to hurt others". -
Successful suicides frequently agonize a great deal over the pain their
death will cause others. They worry about the pain, financial aspects, and
many other ways in which their death will impact their children, spouses,
siblings, and other relatives and friends. They know that by ending their
life they may keep a situation from getting worse, but even though they are
gone, their family still doesn't have any money, or the deceased may still
be branded a "sex offender", or whatever problems may have existed are still
there.

Another point: once a person has made a decision to end their life, they
frequently go into an upbeat, often euphoric state that lasts up until they
commit the act. Their problems are going to end, why should they worry or be
depressed? Why should they want to hurt others?

"They'll be sorry when I'm gone" is a common refrain." - And it's the
refrain of the teenage girl with the razorblade who cuts across her wrist
even though she well knows that you have to cut lengthwise on the wrist to
kill yourself. This is typically a cry for attention or a form of
"blackmail" they are using to try to get their way on something. Since death
is really not the goal, most mental health professionals can have a good
outcome with these patients. But more and more teenagers are successfully
committing suicide, and this should be a concern (at some level) of all
parents of teenagers. I'm not going to write a manual on the raising of
teenagers; there are plenty of good ones out there. And there are plenty of
mental health professionals who can provide help. Don't be embarrassed to
consult one if one is needed.

Just felt some clarification was needed...







"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...

"Montblack" wrote in message
...
"C J Campbell"
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable
cause(s)
of
this accident as follows:

The dual student's intentional suicide by exiting from the airplane
during
descent. A contributing factor was the psychological condition of the
dual
student.


IIRC, it was a darn funny thread!!!

What? It's not like the guy landed on anyone :-)

The only thing I remember about the thread was whether the instructor
could/should have prevented the man from turning himself into a human lawn
dart and whether the instructor was telling the truth that he did not
notice
the man opening the door.

Of course, anyone who would try this probably could not care less if they
landed on someone. People who are that depressed are invariably so wrapped
up in themselves and their imaginary problems that the rest of the world
barely exists for them. In fact, one of the reasons they kill themselves
is
to hurt others. "They'll be sorry when I'm gone" is a common refrain.

It is really too bad. Depression is often treatable and usually temporary.
Most people suffer varying degrees of depression at some time in their
lives. It would be a heck of a note if we just let them all kill
themselves.

("Bill Denton" wrote)
But more and more teenagers are successfully
committing suicide, and this should be a concern (at some level) of all
parents of teenagers.


Minneapolis paper did a very good story, a few years ago, on teenage suicide
numbers in Minnesota. I was surprised to see that the number of attempts was
close for boys vs. girls. The boys, however, were 2x more successful at
ending it all - boys use guns, girls use pills. Boys hang themselves, girls
use pills, etc.

I've often viewed depression as something akin to emotional epilepsy, or
maybe emotional Parkinson's. Tough for others to see, and understand, and
even tougher to just deal with if you're afflicted with it.


Mont (having a good day) black

"Bill Denton" wrote in message
...
I've got to take issue with you on this statement: "People who are that
depressed are invariably so wrapped up in themselves and their imaginary
problems that the rest of the world barely exists for them. In fact, one
of
the reasons they kill themselves is to hurt others. "They'll be sorry when
I'm gone" is a common refrain."

"Imaginary problems"? - There are always hypochondriacs with imaginary
problems, but most people who suffer from depression are dealing with very
real problems. And it is these real problems that frequently trigger or
exacerbate depression. And there is also depression that is the result of
a
chemical imbalance in the brain, which may have no connections with a
sufferers problems (or lack thereof).

"In fact, one of the reasons they kill themselves is to hurt others". -
Successful suicides frequently agonize a great deal over the pain their
death will cause others. They worry about the pain, financial aspects, and
many other ways in which their death will impact their children, spouses,
siblings, and other relatives and friends. They know that by ending their
life they may keep a situation from getting worse, but even though they
are
gone, their family still doesn't have any money, or the deceased may still
be branded a "sex offender", or whatever problems may have existed are
still
there.

Another point: once a person has made a decision to end their life, they
frequently go into an upbeat, often euphoric state that lasts up until
they
commit the act. Their problems are going to end, why should they worry or
be
depressed? Why should they want to hurt others?

"They'll be sorry when I'm gone" is a common refrain." - And it's the
refrain of the teenage girl with the razorblade who cuts across her wrist
even though she well knows that you have to cut lengthwise on the wrist to
kill yourself. This is typically a cry for attention or a form of
"blackmail" they are using to try to get their way on something. Since
death
is really not the goal, most mental health professionals can have a good
outcome with these patients. But more and more teenagers are successfully
committing suicide, and this should be a concern (at some level) of all
parents of teenagers. I'm not going to write a manual on the raising of
teenagers; there are plenty of good ones out there. And there are plenty
of
mental health professionals who can provide help. Don't be embarrassed to
consult one if one is needed.

Just felt some clarification was needed...


Bill, I agree with you on most all of what you said. In my 28 years of being
stranded on this rock. I have to say, I have been to 1 to many funerals of
friends and family for that stupid selfish reason.