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Help. Obtaining a UK Gliding License on the basis of my AmericanLicense
On Jul 8, 5:01*pm, Chris Reed wrote:
Paul Jessop wrote: ... we fly this really sensible diagonal leg from downwind to base that will scare most airport-trained US pilots senseless I remember that the other way round - flying in the US soon after I went solo in the UK and hearing the cries of alarm from the back seat as I cut off the nice square corner of the circuit at *exactly* 45 degrees (as I said, I'd only just gone solo). We have one or two other tricks up our sleeve for foreigners - for example, we turn left off aerotow not right. For a US visitor I'd suggest talking the UK instructor through your flight before launching would be a good idea, so as to identify these cultural differences before takeoff. As another example, Houston (where I flew in the US) began all circuits at 1000ft agl over a particular ground feature. At my UK flatland club we'd still be scratching at that height and start the circuit around 700ft from an appropriate point, maybe joining the circuit half way down the downwind leg. Fortunately I'd been briefed on that beforehand, otherwise I'd not have got as far as introducing Houston to the British diagonal. Clubs based in the hills * have modified circuit procedures to deal with curlover in particular wind directions, but they tend to brief on those anyway because UK flatlanders like me would otherwise get into trouble. Grin :-) I've now flown a bit in Germany, Sweden, Austria, and the UK. Everybody has their own local customs, but at the end of the day we all figure out how to get the ship down in one big piece. |
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Help. Obtaining a UK Gliding License on the basis of my AmericanLicense
On Jul 8, 8:23*pm, (Alan) wrote:
In article Andy writes: On Jul 8, 11:45=A0am, Paul Jessop wrote: You're clearly eligible for one (as you have an ICAO compliant glider licence/license/certificate and I assume you have 5h PIC in the last year= ) There may be a small catch here. *It is my understanding that most US pilot certificates are not ICAO compliant since they do not include the statement that the pilot is proficient in English. *New certificates include the endorsement. "Background: Effective March 5, 2008, ICAO Annex 1 (Personnel Licensing) standards require that all private, commercial or ATPs as well as FEs and flight navigators operating internationally as required crewmembers of an airplane or helicopter have an airman certificate with an endorsement of language proficiency. In the case of persons holding a U.S. airman certificate, the language proficiency endorsement will state =93English Proficient=94 So Papa3 you may need to get a new FAA certificate before you try to use it as a basis for getting a BGA certificate. Andy * Probably not. *From *http://www.luchtzak.be/forums/viewto...p?f=14&t=38606 * *Effective March 5, 2008, ICAO Annex 1 (Personnel Licensing) standards * *require that all private, commercial or ATPs as well as FEs and flight * *navigators operating internationally as required crewmembers of an airplane * *or helicopter have an airman certificate with an endorsement of language * *proficiency. *In the case of persons holding a U.S. *airman certificate, * *the language proficiency endorsement will state ?English Proficient?. * *On October 26, 2007, ICAO published State Letter AN 12/44.6-07/68 regarding * *Assembly - Resolution A36-11- Proficiency in the English Language Used for * *Radiotelephony, which automatically delays implementation up until March 5, * *2011 for those countries notifying ICAO. *As such, the U.S. *has notified * *ICAO that it file a difference that will extend the U.S. *compliance date * *until March 5, 2009 in order to provide sufficient time for all affected * *U.S. *airman certificate holder to comply with the ICAO Language * *Proficiency airman certificate endorsement requirements. * Since we are talking about gliders, not airplanes or helicopters, the requirement would appear not to apply. * Further, since notification has been made to the ICAO, you would have until March 5, 2009 for international operations in airplanes and helicopters. * If the operation were fully within the UK, in a UK registered aircraft, it would seem to not be an international operation, so the requirement probably would not apply there, anyway. * * * * Alan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Thanks to everyone for clarifying/amplifying/explicating. I'll go ahead and take it up with the club(s) where I intend to fly and see what they say. In the meantime, I'll get the UK medical certificate out of the way just as a an additional precaution. With regard to English...one of my newer certificates (I think my most recent flight instructor) states English proficient or some such, though my wife might beg to differ. P3 |
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Help. Obtaining a UK Gliding License on the basis of my American License
In message , Don Johnstone
writes snip The medical requirements for the above, you are expected to be able to walk to and from the glider unaided, at the appropriate times but that is not absolutely essential. It's not needed at all - there is at least one paraplegic instructor in the UK and a number of Bronze badge holders. -- Surfer! Email to: ramwater at uk2 dot net |
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Help. Obtaining a UK Gliding License on the basis of my American License
At 23:30 08 July 2009, Don Johnstone wrote:
The law governing the solo flying of gliders in the UK is very simple, you have to be over 16 to do it. That is it, that is all the law says. That's an interesting point. Does the BGA enforce that rule? My point being that in the US you can solo on your 14th birthday. A certain number of pilots do that every year. Jim Beckman |
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Help. Obtaining a UK Gliding License on the basis of my American License
In message , Jim Beckman
writes At 23:30 08 July 2009, Don Johnstone wrote: The law governing the solo flying of gliders in the UK is very simple, you have to be over 16 to do it. That is it, that is all the law says. That's an interesting point. Does the BGA enforce that rule? Oh yes. My point being that in the US you can solo on your 14th birthday. A certain number of pilots do that every year. And quite a few solo on their 16th birthday here, assuming the weather is suitable! -- Surfer! Email to: ramwater at uk2 dot net |
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Help. Obtaining a UK Gliding License on the basis of my AmericanLicense
The BGA rules say that your medical practitioner must sign the relevant
form which can be downloaded from the BGA website, nowhere does it say that your medical practitioner has to be in the UK so get the form signed by your doctor in the US and that complies with the rules. Yep, I had no problems flying solo in the UK with the form signed by an Irish GP. Bart |
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Help. Obtaining a UK Gliding License on the basis of my American License
I am not sure that it is quite as easy as that. The BGA self declaration
medical form countersigned by your own doctor is a requirement for the UK NPPL, i.e. for UK recreational pilots flying simple UK registered aircraft, including gliders, in UK airspace. We may have a special arrangement with the Irish, or maybe this just wasn't spotted! At some point in the future this, or something similar, will become a European wide arrangement under EASA, as part of a Recreational Pilots Licence. At the moment the French won't accept my UK NPPL medical certificate, and would require that I undergo a medical by one of their own aviation doctors before flying there, although most of the other EC countries will, but only if I am flying a UK registered glider. UK NPPL holders are not even allowed to fly foreign registered aircraft in the UK, as my club found out when we imported a German registered towplane. It could only be flown by pilots with full CAA or JAR medical certificates. Obviously we will accept any recognised aviation medical certificate issued by a National or International Aviation Authority. Otherwise it would be a good idea to check with the BGA before coming. Their website is www.gliding.co.uk Derek Copeland At 20:31 09 July 2009, Bartek K. wrote: The BGA rules say that your medical practitioner must sign the relevant form which can be downloaded from the BGA website, nowhere does it say that your medical practitioner has to be in the UK so get the form signed by your doctor in the US and that complies with the rules. Yep, I had no problems flying solo in the UK with the form signed by an Irish GP. Bart |
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Help. Obtaining a UK Gliding License on the basis of my American License
Nowhere does it say in any of the paperwork that the medical practitioner has to be in the UK. The medical practitioner is only signing to confirm that the declaration made by the applicant is true so where he comes from is immaterial. The form and medical are only relevant to the BGA and are NOT a legal requirement in the UK, they are only required to fly at a UK BGA club. Why is it that some people want to complicate everything, I did say on my original post that some jobsworth would find fault, so now you know exactly who the jobsworth is. The original question was about flying in the UK, not France or any of the other countries in Europe. The basic requirement remains, to fly a glider solo in the UK you have to be aged 16 years or more. That is the ONLY legal requirement, there are no others, no medical, no certificate, no licence, no talking to jobsworth. You just need to be 16 years or older. At 06:45 10 July 2009, Derek Copeland wrote: I am not sure that it is quite as easy as that. The BGA self declaration medical form countersigned by your own doctor is a requirement for the UK NPPL, i.e. for UK recreational pilots flying simple UK registered aircraft, including gliders, in UK airspace. We may have a special arrangement with the Irish, or maybe this just wasn't spotted! At some point in the future this, or something similar, will become a European wide arrangement under EASA, as part of a Recreational Pilots Licence. At the moment the French won't accept my UK NPPL medical certificate, and would require that I undergo a medical by one of their own aviation doctors before flying there, although most of the other EC countries will, but only if I am flying a UK registered glider. UK NPPL holders are not even allowed to fly foreign registered aircraft in the UK, as my club found out when we imported a German registered towplane. It could only be flown by pilots with full CAA or JAR medical certificates. Obviously we will accept any recognised aviation medical certificate issued by a National or International Aviation Authority. Otherwise it would be a good idea to check with the BGA before coming. Their website is www.gliding.co.uk Derek Copeland At 20:31 09 July 2009, Bartek K. wrote: The BGA rules say that your medical practitioner must sign the relevant form which can be downloaded from the BGA website, nowhere does it say that your medical practitioner has to be in the UK so get the form signed by your doctor in the US and that complies with the rules. Yep, I had no problems flying solo in the UK with the form signed by an Irish GP. Bart |
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Help. Obtaining a UK Gliding License on the basis of my American License
Nowhere does it say in any of the paperwork that the medical practitioner has to be in the UK. The medical practitioner is only signing to confirm that the declaration made by the applicant is true so where he comes from is immaterial. The form and medical are only relevant to the BGA and are NOT a legal requirement in the UK, they are only required to fly at a UK BGA club. Why is it that some people want to complicate everything, I did say on my original post that some jobsworth would find fault, so now you know exactly who the jobsworth is. The original question was about flying in the UK, not France or any of the other countries in Europe. The basic requirement remains, to fly a glider solo in the UK you have to be aged 16 years or more. That is the ONLY legal requirement, there are no others, no medical, no certificate, no licence, no talking to jobsworth. You just need to be 16 years or older. At 06:45 10 July 2009, Derek Copeland wrote: I am not sure that it is quite as easy as that. The BGA self declaration medical form countersigned by your own doctor is a requirement for the UK NPPL, i.e. for UK recreational pilots flying simple UK registered aircraft, including gliders, in UK airspace. We may have a special arrangement with the Irish, or maybe this just wasn't spotted! At some point in the future this, or something similar, will become a European wide arrangement under EASA, as part of a Recreational Pilots Licence. At the moment the French won't accept my UK NPPL medical certificate, and would require that I undergo a medical by one of their own aviation doctors before flying there, although most of the other EC countries will, but only if I am flying a UK registered glider. UK NPPL holders are not even allowed to fly foreign registered aircraft in the UK, as my club found out when we imported a German registered towplane. It could only be flown by pilots with full CAA or JAR medical certificates. Obviously we will accept any recognised aviation medical certificate issued by a National or International Aviation Authority. Otherwise it would be a good idea to check with the BGA before coming. Their website is www.gliding.co.uk Derek Copeland At 20:31 09 July 2009, Bartek K. wrote: The BGA rules say that your medical practitioner must sign the relevant form which can be downloaded from the BGA website, nowhere does it say that your medical practitioner has to be in the UK so get the form signed by your doctor in the US and that complies with the rules. Yep, I had no problems flying solo in the UK with the form signed by an Irish GP. Bart |
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Help. Obtaining a UK Gliding License on the basis of my AmericanLicense
On Jul 10, 5:45*am, Don Johnstone wrote:
The basic requirement remains, to fly a glider solo in the UK you have to be aged 16 years or more. That is the ONLY legal requirement, there are no others, no medical, no certificate, no licence, no talking to jobsworth. You just need to be 16 years or older. Sadly, on that front I am more than qualified... |
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