Bronze Star v. Combat Infantry Badge

"Leadfoot" wrote in message
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Being awarded a medal is often a case of being in the right place and
doing
what you were trained to do. "Snuffy" Smith come to mind. Does the guy
who
spends his whole military career preparing for war but never sees it
deserve
less respect than someone who happened to be in the right place at the
right
time?

Not to mention during Art's day, you were "volunteered"...Todays military is
100% volunteer.

Subject: Bronze Star v. Combat Infantry Badge
From: "Leadfoot"
Date: 7/26/03 4:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time

eing awarded a medal is often a case of being in the right place and doing
what you were trained to do. "Snuffy" Smith come to mind. Does the guy who
spends his whole military career preparing for war but never sees it deserve
less respect than someone who happened to be in the right place at the right
time?

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...
If I met two soldiers, one had the Bronze Star but no CIB or battle stars,
the
other had the Combat Infantry Badge but no Bronze Star, I would
immediaetly
give the higher respect to the man with the CIB. Men who have been in
battle
vvould always have higher place of honor than those who have never been in
battle.


All you had to do was step forward and say " Take me. I'll go" and you would
have been with us. You didn't, therefore you weren't.

Arthur Kramer
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"Brian" wrote in message
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"Leadfoot" wrote in message
news:CCtUa.18035$u51.3113@fed1read05...
Being awarded a medal is often a case of being in the right place and
doing
what you were trained to do. "Snuffy" Smith come to mind. Does the guy
who
spends his whole military career preparing for war but never sees it
deserve
less respect than someone who happened to be in the right place at the
right
time?

Not to mention during Art's day, you were "volunteered"...Todays military
is
100% volunteer.


Aircrew were 100% volunteers in the USAAF and RAF , you could get drafted
into
the service but had to volunteer for flying duty.

Keith

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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ubject: Bronze Star v. Combat Infantry Badge
From: "Brian"
Date: 7/26/03 4:35 AM Pacific

Not to mention during Art's day, you were "volunteered"...Todays military
is
100% volunteer.

No. We were not "volunteered". We volunteered. Get the difference?. I
assume
you vounteered as well..

I should have stated aircrew were volunteers but most people got drafted.

Subject: Bronze Star v. Combat Infantry Badge
From: "Brian"
Date: 7/26/03 5:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:


"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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ubject: Bronze Star v. Combat Infantry Badge
From: "Brian"
Date: 7/26/03 4:35 AM Pacific

Not to mention during Art's day, you were "volunteered"...Todays military
is
100% volunteer.

No. We were not "volunteered". We volunteered. Get the difference?. I
assume
you vounteered as well..

I should have stated aircrew were volunteers but most people got drafted.


Yes, you should have.

Arthur Kramer
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

In article , "S. Sampson"
wrote:

If I may, I have a war story about what people are really fighting for:

There was a rule (don't know if it still exists) that said if you flew
through two meal periods, and were TDY, that you got full per-diem
for the day. There are generally four meals a day, in defined periods
of time (breakfast, lunch, dinner, and midnight chow). If you launch
before, or during one meal, and land after another, you track that
data on a "missed meal" form.

We never really missed a meal, as we had what were known as
IF-10's back then (In-Flight C rations), and later we had the "three
big lies"--"Meals", "Ready", and "To Eat".

If you really wanted to **** a crew off, it was to deny a missed meal
credit, which denied them full per-diem, which cost them a bunch of
bucks, that their wives already spent.

The Bronze Star, and CIB pale in comparison.



Spousal combat is not covered by the Geneva or Hague Conventions. As
was said about Tarawa, "Utmost savagery."

In article ,
says...
If I met two soldiers, one had the Bronze Star but no CIB or battle stars, the
other had the Combat Infantry Badge but no Bronze Star, I would immediaetly
give the higher respect to the man with the CIB. Men who have been in battle
vvould always have higher place of honor than those who have never been in
battle.

If I met a high ranking officer with the Bronze Star but no battle stars and
a sgt. with the Air Medal but no Bronze Star, the greater honor goes to the man
with the Air Medal. Battle honors go above all other honors..


It's not so cut and dried. My last unit we had a SGT with bronze star
with a V.
He had been a helo mech in DS1 and nver did talk about the whys or
where fors..

But he refused to fly anymore, even just as a passenger...

By just giving the CIB all the credit you will be ognoring all those
tanker/cannon cockers and other sundry soldiers that may be in the
same combat but because of the Reg's are not awarded a CIB.



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Remember, Friendly fire, Isn't :

On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 04:30:01 -0700, "Leadfoot"
wrote:

You know I never liked the slogan "Army of One". I always thought of
military service as a "Team Effort".

Same here. When I hear "any Army of One", I think of Rambo-type
vigilantes. Warriors almost never fight solo; even pilots in
single-seat fighters generally have wingmen. Not to mention all the
non-warriors who provide necessary support back a the post/base/camp.

___
Walter Luffman Medina, TN USA
Amateur curmudgeon, equal-opportunity annoyer

On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 07:35:54 -0400, "Brian"
wrote:

Not to mention during Art's day, you were "volunteered"...Todays military is
100% volunteer.

Yep. I enlisted in 1968; but if I hadn't been at some risk of being
drafted anyway, I most likely would not have enlisted.

___
Walter Luffman Medina, TN USA
Amateur curmudgeon, equal-opportunity annoyer

Subject: Bronze Star v. Combat Infantry Badge
From: Walter Luffman
Date: 7/26/03 7:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 07:35:54 -0400, "Brian"
wrote:

Not to mention during Art's day, you were "volunteered"...Todays military is
100% volunteer.

Yep. I enlisted in 1968; but if I hadn't been at some risk of being
drafted anyway, I most likely would not have enlisted.

___
Walter Luffman Medina, TN USA


My greatest fear was that the war would end before I got there. It didn't.

Arthur Kramer
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer