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Barnyard BOb - wrote
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ My observations over time... 1. IF YOU EAT MORE THAN YOU BURN.... YOU WEAR IT. 2. Exercise is great for cardiovascular improvement, but one can easily eat more than can be exercised away. 3. My doctor sez.... Put whatever you desire on your plate, then slide half of it off and you will lose weight. Barnyard BOb - Stunning. Impossible, but Stunning. pac |
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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
... I never said it was the only straw, but I believe it is the largest factor by far. Faith without "a shred of evidence" is wonderful. If anyone can show me a shred of evidence that humans have made some dramatic change in genetic composition in the last 3-4 decads, I'll admit that I'm wrong. I never asserted that. The change is simple. You first have to simply admit that you are fat because of what YOU are doing or not doing. Then decide you are going to eat less and exercise more. Then go out and do it! Walk, ride bike, whatever. If you spend all of your energy looking for a scapegoat, then you'll stay fat and out of shape. Looking for an excuse simply doesn't burn many calories! :-) Life is rarely simple. My dad quite smoking overnight before patches were available. I think looking for bandaid solutions for every problem simply encourages more people to wait around for the bandaid rather than making the hard choices and investing some work. No sense using the saw. Just beat it off with the hammer. If it was good enough fer dad, it's good enough fer me. I think I know what you mean. You mean to say that eating less and exercising is hard work and takes a lot of will power. I agree. Nope. I think you said that. You are also saying that we should coddle folks and make it easy for them rather than telling them to get off their butts and work a little. I disagree. That may be one way to phrase it. I would liken it to the choice a surgeon makes when he chooses to use anaesthetic to perform an operation, rather than just saw the leg off. Yeah, mebbe there are those who can grit their teeth and take it. Does that make them better than those who would rather forego the pain? I don't think so. But who cares anyway? The objective is to get the operation performed successfully, not to sit back in self-righteous indignation and say, "I did it, so you have to do it the same way". That's B.S. All this crap of pointing fingers, blaming people, telling them they're wimps unless they can do it by themselves, has no place outside of Marine boot camp. It may make you feel good to do it, but it doesn't solve the problem. I have a very hard time turning down a cookie or donut. I don't always feel like stopping at the gym after work or hopping on the bike for a two hour ride. However, I will tell you that it works. Nobody is arguing the physical facts of weight loss. What I am saying is that we need to develop effective solutions so that everyone who wants to lose weight can do it. You can tell me a hundred times that it works - that doesn't change the fact that your way is not working for many people. Go ahead, puff out your chest, feel good that you can hit the gym or the bicycle, but that doesn't solve the epidemic, my friend. I'd like to add that I value your opinions on several other subjects. I just think you're not really seeing the problem on this one. Ciao, Rich S |
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Bill Daniels wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... Bill Daniels wrote: "Barnyard BOb -" wrote in message ... Nope, simply observation over time, knowing from labor statistics the kinds of jobs we have now compared to 30 or 40 years ago. We have fewer farm, manufacturing, heavy labor, etc., jobs and more desk jobs, service jobs, etc. Also, I've yet to see any evidence that humans have evolved genetically in a dramatic way in such a short period of time. Matt ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + My observations over time... 1. IF YOU EAT MORE THAN YOU BURN.... YOU WEAR IT. 2. Exercise is great for cardiovascular improvement, but one can easily eat more than can be exercised away. 3. My doctor sez.... Put whatever you desire on your plate, then slide half of it off and you will lose weight. Barnyard BOb - My doctor said that whatever part of the body gets used the most gets the biggest. If you sit at a computer all day, your butt gets big. Do your eyes get bit also? :-) Matt 40 years ago the captain of my ship hit on a solution to the expanding waistlines of some of the crew. He ordered the hatches to the mess decks dogged and locked leaving only the 18" diameter scuttle holes. If you could skinny through the holes, you could eat. If not, you could report to the ships doctor for a special diet and exercise. Of course, you could also starve. One of my Chief Petty Officers was heard to say after consulting a chart of height vs. desired weight, "I am NOT too heavy, I'm just 6 inches too short - it's height discrimination." Unfortunately, if that was done today, the Captain would be brought up on charges. :-( Matt |
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Matt Whiting wrote:
I was talking about the GENERAL obesity problem in the US, not any particular person. Sure, there are all sorts of medical conditions that can cause weight gain or loss. I never said otherwise. Medical conditions? I never said that skinny people were sick. However, sometimes watching them gorge themselves does make *me* sick with envy. Its generally related to metabolism - the rate at which we burn all those calories. I can't cite any medical reference for this, but I do know that when I fast (i.e.-quit eating), I lose weight slower than if I just cut back. With a low carb diet, I can actually gorge myself on legal foods and lose weight faster than fasting. The point I'm trying to make is that somehow my system shifts gears when it comes to metabolism. If I go hungry, my metabolism slows way down. Pig out and it speeds up. In these naturally skinny people, I think that it's in high gear pretty much all of the time. Dennis. Dennis Hawkins n4mwd AT amsat DOT org (humans know what to do) "A RECESSION is when you know somebody who is out of work. A DEPRESSION is when YOU are out of work. A RECOVERY is when all the H-1B's are out of work." To find out what an H-1B is and how Congress is using them to put Americans out of work, visit the following web site and click on the "Exporting America" CNN news video: http://zazona.com/ShameH1B/MediaClips.htm |
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Rich S. wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... I never said it was the only straw, but I believe it is the largest factor by far. Faith without "a shred of evidence" is wonderful. There's lots of evidence. Do a little research. I'm not going to do it for you. If anyone can show me a shred of evidence that humans have made some dramatic change in genetic composition in the last 3-4 decads, I'll admit that I'm wrong. I never asserted that. I don't recall who asserted that genetics was behind obesity, but someone in this thread did or at least made a strong insinuation to that end. The change is simple. You first have to simply admit that you are fat because of what YOU are doing or not doing. Then decide you are going to eat less and exercise more. Then go out and do it! Walk, ride bike, whatever. If you spend all of your energy looking for a scapegoat, then you'll stay fat and out of shape. Looking for an excuse simply doesn't burn many calories! :-) Life is rarely simple. Nor easy. Controlling one's weight is hard work. You either do it in a job that requires hard work (I had no weight control issues when I worked as a logger) or you work hard off the job exercising. My dad quite smoking overnight before patches were available. I think looking for bandaid solutions for every problem simply encourages more people to wait around for the bandaid rather than making the hard choices and investing some work. No sense using the saw. Just beat it off with the hammer. If it was good enough fer dad, it's good enough fer me. Sorry, but using will power is the right tool for the job. Using bandaid approaches is the wrong tool. I think I know what you mean. You mean to say that eating less and exercising is hard work and takes a lot of will power. I agree. Nope. I think you said that. Probably, as you obviously aren't smart enough to say something that insightful. You are also saying that we should coddle folks and make it easy for them rather than telling them to get off their butts and work a little. I disagree. That may be one way to phrase it. I would liken it to the choice a surgeon makes when he chooses to use anaesthetic to perform an operation, rather than just saw the leg off. Yeah, mebbe there are those who can grit their teeth and take it. Does that make them better than those who would rather forego the pain? I don't think so. But who cares anyway? The objective is to get the operation performed successfully, not to sit back in self-righteous indignation and say, "I did it, so you have to do it the same way". That's B.S. All this crap of pointing fingers, blaming people, telling them they're wimps unless they can do it by themselves, has no place outside of Marine boot camp. It may make you feel good to do it, but it doesn't solve the problem. Nice try, but not even close to being a good analogy. Surgery isn't a lifestyle issue. Obesity, for most people, is a lifestyle issue. A better analogy is financial responsbility. The bandaid that many want to apply is either bankruptcy or debt consolidation loans. These are like liposuction, stomach stapling, etc., with respect to weight loss. The trouble is, they don't address the underlying issues. Financially, the issue is that people spend more than they make and don't know how to budget and live within their means. Consolidating their debt without addressing the underlying spending habits only gives them more headroom to get into even deeper trouble. You have to address the budget/spending issues first and then look at aids such as debt consolidation loans. Same with weight. You need to address the lifestyle habits. I have a very hard time turning down a cookie or donut. I don't always feel like stopping at the gym after work or hopping on the bike for a two hour ride. However, I will tell you that it works. Nobody is arguing the physical facts of weight loss. What I am saying is that we need to develop effective solutions so that everyone who wants to lose weight can do it. You can tell me a hundred times that it works - that doesn't change the fact that your way is not working for many people. Go ahead, puff out your chest, feel good that you can hit the gym or the bicycle, but that doesn't solve the epidemic, my friend. I disagree. 20 years of society telling people that nothing is their fault and they are victims of McDonald's, Nabsico, or whoever, is what isn't working. I'd like to add that I value your opinions on several other subjects. I just think you're not really seeing the problem on this one. Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I think the coddling and band-aid solutions HAVE been tried for at least a generation now and THEY are what have been shown to not work. I think the Dr. Phil approach should now be given a couple of decades of trial. Matt |
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On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:18:14 -0400, Matt Whiting
wrote: Rich S. wrote: "Matt Whiting" wrote in message news:ccramb01ome@enews4. I never said it was the only straw, but I believe it is the largest factor by far. If anyone can show me a shred of evidence that humans have made some dramatic change in genetic composition in the last 3-4 decads, I'll admit that I'm wrong. Matt, I don't think it has happened in the last 3-4 decades. I don't think it is a change in genetic composition but a survival of that genetic composition in the last 300 years. When food is scarce, those who's body can utilize whatever food is available will survive. In the livestock industry, such an animal is known as an easy keeper. It is a trait of some species and some breeds. Example: Several studies of Navajo, Pima and Apache Native Americans have revealed between 45 and 74 percent have type 2 diabetes. A condition brought on by obesity. The prevalence for obesity was a result of culling those ancestors who were not "easy keepers" in difficult times. Bottom line is the abundance of food for those with "easy keeper" genetic composition. |
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"Matt Whiting" wrote Nor easy. Controlling one's weight is hard work. You either do it in a job that requires hard work (I had no weight control issues when I worked as a logger) or you work hard off the job exercising. ****************** How old were you when you were a logger, Matt? How old are you now? Probably, as you obviously aren't smart enough to say something that insightful. ****************** Now you are actng like you are not too old. Obesity, for most people, is a lifestyle issue. ***************** hummm I think the coddling and band-aid solutions HAVE been tried for at least a generation now and THEY are what have been shown to not work. I think the Dr. Phil approach should now be given a couple of decades of trial. **************** Dr. Phil occasionally hits on the right answers, and makes good television, but his insight and solutions are almost always overly simplistic. -- Jim in NC --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release Date: 7/5/2004 |
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