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FAA fuel waivers
Can anyone back up this claim? It sounds convincing, but I want to
have a second opinion: ----Start quote----- Apparently, the FAA (the same FAA who was going against our contract and has cut out budget, cut trainees to replace all the people retiring, and is attempting to speed up training by rushing through important steps) is giving airlines a waver on gas. This waver states that they don't have to fill up the plane all the way so they can save on fuel costs. This means, they have exactly the amount of fuel they need to get to their destination +45 minutes. Anything under that +45 minutes means an emergency. So that means these aircraft were getting close to that emergency point. It's dangerous for the pilot, the controller, and the passengers espicially. -----End quote----- I would appreciate any information anyone has about this. At least if it's true or not. Thanks! |
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ups.com Can anyone back up this claim? It sounds convincing, but I want to have a second opinion: FAA regulations are on the web. Check it out and let us know. -- John T http://sage1solutions.com/TknoFlyer Reduce spam. Use Sender Policy Framework: http://spf.pobox.com ____________________ |
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§ 91.167 Fuel requirements for flight in IFR conditions.
(a) No person may operate a civil aircraft in IFR conditions unless it carries enough fuel (considering weather reports and forecasts and weather conditions) to- (1) Complete the flight to the first airport of intended landing; (2) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, fly from that airport to the alternate airport; and (3) Fly after that for 45 minutes at normal cruising speed or, for helicopters, fly after that for 30 minutes at normal cruising speed. -- so i guess this kind of fueling behavior is normal based on these regulations. this is probably what airlines have been doing all along. i'm just a little confused about this said "waiver" (which, i noticed was spelled wrong in the quote which i think hinders its credibility) John T wrote: wrote in message ups.com Can anyone back up this claim? It sounds convincing, but I want to have a second opinion: FAA regulations are on the web. Check it out and let us know. -- John T http://sage1solutions.com/TknoFlyer Reduce spam. Use Sender Policy Framework: http://spf.pobox.com ____________________ |
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It's not a waiver, its a rule and it's nothing new. An airliner has to
carry enough fuel to get to it's destination, divert to it's alternate plus 45 minutes. You can't have a rule that "you have to fill up". Filling up might not be ENOUGH fuel. Don't worry about THIS one, almost all captains, being cautious, add a little extra fuel over the required fuel so they have some cushion. Fuel exhaustion with airliners is very rare, it has happened, but it's not likely. They watch their fuel very carefully. |
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Who are you?!?!
Are you any kin to ? ===== did someone leave the Troll Gate open??========== |
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Hmm... I don't /think/ I know that person. Maybe. Where do they live?
Casey Wilson wrote: Who are you?!?! Are you any kin to ? ===== did someone leave the Troll Gate open??========== |
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This waver states
that they don't have to fill up the plane all the way so they can save on fuel costs. "Filling up" the plane is not a requirment. "Having enough gas" is (where "enough" is defined in the regs and includes reserves). You don't have to have "more than enough", otherwise that amount would be what "enough" would be, and we're back where we started. Now, "enough" means "enough to get to your destination, fly the approach, go to the alternate, fly the approach, and fly 45 minutes at full cruise". Depending on what you pick for an alternate, you may need more or less gas. Depending on what you pick for a destination, the same is true. The "destination" doesn't have to be "where you want to go". What I have heard some pilots do is to make the place they want to go the alternate, and pick a "destination" that is short of that. This requires less gas. If they manage to get a better tailwind, then by the time they get to their destination (not where they wanted to go), they may still have enough gas to get to the alternate (which is where they wanted to go), AND fly to another legal alternate, AND still fly for 45 minutes. IF this happens, they re-file with the new plan and keep flying. The risk is that if this does NOT happen, they will need to land short of where they wanted to go. It sounds like cheating, but safety is NOT compromised, because they always have a place to land in the plan, and sufficient reserves. Jose -- The price of freedom is... well... freedom. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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On 9 Jun 2006 19:03:34 -0700, "Doug"
wrote: It's not a waiver, its a rule and it's nothing new. An airliner has to carry enough fuel to get to it's destination, divert to it's alternate plus 45 minutes. You can't have a rule that "you have to fill up". Filling up might not be ENOUGH fuel. And filling up might also mean TOO MUCH fuel. The airplane must be loaded less than its maximum takeoff weight. Satisfying that requirement may entail leaving the tanks partially empty. For a short trip, an airplane taking off with full tanks could still have so much fuel aboard on arrival that it would above its maximum landing weight. In that case, the aircraft must depart with less fuel. Operating with reduced fuel loads has always been a part of safe and legal operation of the aircraft. Filling the tanks completely could be illegal and unsafe in some circumstances. RK Henry |
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