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Brendan Grace wrote:
"Bjørnar Bolsøy" wrote in message ... "Brendan Grace" wrote in : Does anyone have any links or info on the Lockheed effort back in the 70s for competition with the YF-16 and YF-17? It was a derivative of the F-104 but I don't know what happened to the program or even if a mock up was built. Google never lets us down. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 &q=lockheed+lancer Regards... Actually Google does let us down. Note that none of the links supplied give much information or any pictures. Try these (which I found from a similar Google search) For text: http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/f104_34.html For pictures: http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita.../x-27-pics.htm Note that in the first picture, the airplane with the rectangular inlets is a mockup of the X-27, not the CL-1200 Lancer. The other two are the Lancer itself. It took me a second to spot the differences from the F-104 -- note the wing and tail positions. I have to say the original Starfighter looks nicer. -- Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail "If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed) |
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Try these (which I found from a similar Google search) For text: http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/f104_34.html For pictures: http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita.../x-27-pics.htm Note that in the first picture, the airplane with the rectangular inlets is a mockup of the X-27, not the CL-1200 Lancer. The other two are the Lancer itself. It took me a second to spot the differences from the F-104 -- note the wing and tail positions. I have to say the original Starfighter looks nicer. -- Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail "If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed) I worked on the 104 for a few years in the late 70s-early 80s. A very exciting aircraft, that sort of lead to my interest in the spin off. Thanks for you help. |
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Basically the Lancer was a 104 development with a turbofan
afterburning engine, highwing, low elevator. There is a picture of the mockup o page 124 in Motorbooks International Warbird History "Lockheed F104 Starfighter", ISBN 0-87938-608-8. In the book it is called 'CL-1200', the designation we knew it by, and is said to have been engined by the J79-19. We understood (as best I remember from 1969) from our tech rep the J79 engined version was the CL985; the production version (CL1200) was to have a turbofan afterburning engine of around 25,000 pounds of thrust in AB. Performance would have been superlative judging from my hours in the F104A with the J79-19 engine. Endurance and range, even without additional fuel, would have been rather greater than the 104A/Dash 19 because of the higher sfc with a turbofan. Since the Dash19 104A would cruise at 1.05 in military power, I am of the opinion the CL1200 would be capable of somewhere around 1.2 or better in miitary with military thrust close to the Dash 19's AB range. It is true that Kelly didn't suffer foools gladly. And he never held back on calling a spade a spade. So the USAF high brass got tired of being told they didn't know anything about airplanes in general and fighters in specific and did blackball him. See Ben Rich's excellent book "Skunk Works". Walt BJ |
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