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Ron wrote:
One might also note the tour length for John Kerry. Do we see a trend among political candidates to "fill the square" then leave? Apparently there was a lot of that in Vietnam too. Just because someone went, does not mean it was out of a nobel desire, many went for career progression purposes. While Kerry was probably trying to emulate John Kennedy, others went to Nam not for future political careers but to further their military career. Heck Bush could have been sent to Vietnam (he did volunteer but was considered too low time), and if he could have flown 50 missions and the Democrats would be criticising him for not having flown 100, and that he would have not done so because of his father and political influence. Ron PA-31T Cheyenne II Maharashtra Weather Modification Program Pune, India Most grunts referred to officers "advancing their careers" by serving a tour or part of a tour as "getting their ticket punched." Had to get a least some combat time for advancement. Many officers were there because that was the only war we had at the time and war means promotions, officer or enlisted lifer. George |
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message ... It's just neocon bitterness from a president and vice president who ever went to war when they damn well should have. No American should have gone to that war. |
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"WalterM140" wrote
Because unlike Gore -or- Clinton, Senator Kerry served with distinction. For 3 months. |
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:06:51 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote: "ArtKramr" wrote in message ... It's just neocon bitterness from a president and vice president who ever went to war when they damn well should have. No American should have gone to that war. This just in. Breaking news. John Edwards didn't serve in Vietnam. Where was he? And, just now, I noticed the thread title. "Fighter Jets..."? The airplanes are jet fighters. Or, simply just fighters. Or jets. Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret) "When Thunder Rolled" Smithsonian Institution Press ISBN #1-58834-103-8 |
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"WalterM140" wrote
Probably not since OCS is Army, not Air Force. Next you will be telling us he never went to UPT either. Did not/does not the Air Force have some sort of equivalent to OCS? One that prospective second lieutenants go through? The closest thing would be OTS Officer Training School, but you had to have a college degree to qualify for entry. The Army built their own officers by selecting from the enlisted ranks. When I finished OCS I had only half of my college completed (most from night school). .. If we wanted to go career, we were told to have a degree before eligible for Captain. No degree, hit the road, you were RIF'd |
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"WalterM140" wrote
Senator Kerry is a decorated veteran. He's also an admitted war criminal (before Congress in testimony) who says he murdered innocent civilians, and unarmed soldiers. |
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ArtKramr wrote:
It's just neocon bitterness from a president and vice president who ever went to war when they damn well should have. Your value (substantial) to the group rests primarily on your personal experiences of military aviation in the WW2 era. Don't dilute that by OT posts regarding your personal prejudices. We've all got 'em, and they all stink. -- Jack "Cave ab homine unius libri" |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
No American should have gone to that war. Wrong! No American should have been drafted to serve in SEA. The professionals, with the proper leadership (read C in C), would have produced quite a different outcome in far less time. But then history may not agree with either of our claims. -- Jack "Cave ab homine unius libri" |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote
"ArtKramr" wrote It's just neocon bitterness from a president and vice president who ever went to war when they damn well should have. No American should have gone to that war. I would disagree. While I agree the war was a failure, because the mission was too broad: "Stop Communism." If the mission was to re-unify the country, then we should never have cancelled the elections. The country was not a threat to anyone, even as a Soviet client. Once we went defensive, the war was over. The Vietnamese found out rather quickly that the Soviets were worthless, and their relationship didn't last long after the war was over. |
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