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In article ,
Larry Dighera wrote: The ATC user fee issue is a corporate boondoggle like Boeing's recent infamous proposal to lease a hundred B-757(?) tankers to the USAF. fyi - 767 -- Bob Noel Looking for a sig the lawyers will hate |
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Larry Dighera wrote:
Ours is a government of the PEOPLE, by the People, and for the PEOPLE, and corporations are not PEOPLE; expose their greedy exploits at every opportunity, or resign yourself to enslavement through inaction. The airlines want to control U.S. ATC. They also want everyone else to pay for it. Having said that, privatization of ATC and users fees are really different issues. |
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... On 9 Feb 2007 08:46:30 -0800, wrote in Ours is a government of the PEOPLE, by the People, and for the PEOPLE, the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government." -- Patrick Henry If you believe that you believe anything. |
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"Bob Noel" wrote in message ... In article , Larry Dighera wrote: The ATC user fee issue is a corporate boondoggle like Boeing's recent infamous proposal to lease a hundred B-757(?) tankers to the USAF. fyi - 767 And, Boeing didn't initially propose it. The AF wanted them, didn't have the money, and asked "How would a private sector company do something like this?". |
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If user fees go into effect I'm done
Now this is weird.
I just found that exact quote yesterday looking for something else. mike "Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage." -- Alexander Tyler - Circa 1780 - discussing the fall of the Athenian Democracy. |
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If user fees go into effect I'm done
mike regish wrote:
.. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage." -- Alexander Tyler - Circa 1780 - discussing the fall of the Athenian Democracy. Sounds like we are about on schedule. |
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I can not find the initial post on this thread, but...
That said, I would expect if user fees go into effect we will se a lot of flying outside the system, be it VFR or even IFR and that is not a good or safe idea. I'd certainly be tempted to fly VFR outside the system by going between small airports and staying away from the larger ones unless it was absolutely necessary. Oh... Wait, I already prefer to fly that way. :-)) I'd also fly in legally marginal conditions when I'd otherwise go IFR. I'd not fly IFR outside the system, but I'd bet there would be many who would. Weather briefings? I'd bet the weather channel would become real popular if they charge for weather briefings. VFR flight plans when they charge for them? Yah gotta be kidding. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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Something on the order of 80 quoted levels and over 3300 lines of
text. That's a bit more than I'm willing to read. It may be factual, but it's too much of a good thing. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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If user fees go into effect I'm done
The government appears to want to place US aviation in line with
that of other countries, such as in the EU. In the short run they may not be able to do much, but in the long run they certainly can, especially with a declining pilot population, which this will accelerate. I'll make a suggestion that I'm sure nobody here will like. If we are able to tie any user fees that come about to actual services, the next step is to STOP the creation of any new control towers on small airports, then follow that up with getting RID of as many control towers, and FAA personnel, as possible. With modern technology such as ADS-B, there is less need for them, and getting rid of FAA personnel is the natural answer to the whole user fee question. The FAA themselves have floated the idea that even IFR might someday be uncontrolled. Uncontrolled = no controller. Its both a "solution" to the FAA's (imaginary) "controller private aircraft workload", and a THREAT, to the FAA. Ie., if you want to move to a model of charging us to use a controller, we will want to move to a model without controllers. Scott Moore Roger wrote: I can not find the initial post on this thread, but... That said, I would expect if user fees go into effect we will se a lot of flying outside the system, be it VFR or even IFR and that is not a good or safe idea. I'd certainly be tempted to fly VFR outside the system by going between small airports and staying away from the larger ones unless it was absolutely necessary. Oh... Wait, I already prefer to fly that way. :-)) I'd also fly in legally marginal conditions when I'd otherwise go IFR. I'd not fly IFR outside the system, but I'd bet there would be many who would. Weather briefings? I'd bet the weather channel would become real popular if they charge for weather briefings. VFR flight plans when they charge for them? Yah gotta be kidding. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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