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FAA final rule: Aircraft registrations now good for only 3 years



 
 
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Old July 22nd 10, 09:31 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.owning
george
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Default FAA final rule: Aircraft registrations now good for only 3 years

On Jul 23, 5:19*am, Bob wrote:
I don't know about anyone else out there, but, I am about at the end
of my rope!

I just want to fly my plane.

But every day now, it seems, is another fee or rule or restriction!
*Our ELTs are now useless or worse.
*We are going to have to shell out a fortune for ADS-B.
*We now need to register (and pay) every three years. -- Why now after
100 years of flight?
*We pay property taxes (at least here in CA) AND file a mandatory form
so we have to pay more if God Forbid we paint or improve our plane.
*We can't fly within 100 miles of D.C. (literally, I think) without an
act of Congress (almost literally)
* add your own.

Is this going to stop before everyone gives up our hobby?
Or will flying in the United States be reserved only for the rich and
professionals?


Wasn't there something where if you flew from one State to another you
could be liable for sales tax in that State although you'd paid it in
your own ?

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Old July 22nd 10, 11:20 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.owning
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Default FAA final rule: Aircraft registrations now good for only 3 years

On Jul 22, 4:31*pm, george wrote:
On Jul 23, 5:19*am, Bob wrote:



I don't know about anyone else out there, but, I am about at the end
of my rope!


I just want to fly my plane.


But every day now, it seems, is another fee or rule or restriction!
*Our ELTs are now useless or worse.
*We are going to have to shell out a fortune for ADS-B.
*We now need to register (and pay) every three years. -- Why now after
100 years of flight?
*We pay property taxes (at least here in CA) AND file a mandatory form
so we have to pay more if God Forbid we paint or improve our plane.
*We can't fly within 100 miles of D.C. (literally, I think) without an
act of Congress (almost literally)
* add your own.


Is this going to stop before everyone gives up our hobby?
Or will flying in the United States be reserved only for the rich and
professionals?


Wasn't there something where if you flew from one State to another you
could be liable for sales tax in that State although you'd paid it in
your own ?


For a time I think it was FL that treated an airplane there for more
than a few days as taxable property in that state. I am not sure how
that got resolved. I don't know this, but suspect the underlying issue
had to do with yachts registered in a state of 'convenience' rather
than the state where it was kept. On the eastern seaboard many boats
had Delaware registration but were moored or docked full time in for
example MA (not known for being modest in imposing taxes when I lived
there).
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Old July 22nd 10, 11:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.owning
Bob Kuykendall
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Default FAA final rule: Aircraft registrations now good for only 3 years

On Jul 22, 3:20*pm, a wrote:

I am not sure how that got resolved...


The AOPA has been on the case:

http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/article...30florida.html

Thanks, Bob K.

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Old July 23rd 10, 12:46 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.owning
george
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Default FAA final rule: Aircraft registrations now good for only 3 years

On Jul 23, 10:32*am, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
On Jul 22, 3:20*pm, a wrote:

I am not sure how that got resolved...


The AOPA has been on the case:

http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/article...30florida.html

Thanks, Bob K.


And thanks from me...
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Old July 23rd 10, 07:09 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.owning
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Default FAA final rule: Aircraft registrations now good for only 3 years

Bob writes:

Is this going to stop before everyone gives up our hobby?
Or will flying in the United States be reserved only for the rich and
professionals?


Eventually hobby flight will be squeezed out of existence. Just as nobody is
really driving tractor-trailer rigs for fun, or driving trains for fun,
eventually there will be nobody flying for fun.

The main reasons are that too few people are interested in flying to
effectively lobby for maintaining it as a viable hobby, whereas the commercial
air travel industry is immense and well funded and very effective at lobbying.
Commercial airlines see private pilots as obstacles to their own business, so
they will consistently lobby in favor of airlines and against private pilots.
Over time, inevitably, private flight will wither and die.

As you observe, flying for fun already involves red tape and expense that
effectively reserves it to a very highly motivated and/or wealthy elite. That
trend will only continue.
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Old July 23rd 10, 04:26 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.owning
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Default FAA final rule: Aircraft registrations now good for only 3 years

In rec.aviation.owning Mxsmanic wrote:
Bob writes:

Is this going to stop before everyone gives up our hobby?
Or will flying in the United States be reserved only for the rich and
professionals?


Eventually hobby flight will be squeezed out of existence. Just as nobody is
really driving tractor-trailer rigs for fun, or driving trains for fun,
eventually there will be nobody flying for fun.


Or submarines or earth movers...

Illogical babble.


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Jim Pennino

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Old July 28th 10, 07:22 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.owning
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Default FAA final rule: Aircraft registrations now good for only 3 years


Commercial airlines see private pilots as obstacles to their own business, so
they will consistently lobby in favor of airlines and against private pilots.
Over time, inevitably, private flight will wither and die.


"Commercial airlines" is a redundancy. All commercial pilots started
as private pilots, and private pilots are a revenue source for
instructors, the FAA, mechanics, manufacturers and the rest of the
industry... Oshkosh being the best evidence. I'm sitting at a towered
airport right now looking at a privately-owned King Air next to about
two dozen private aircraft, from jets all the way to a humble
Traumahawk and an Ercoupe.

Times are tough, but a FedEx pilot I've been flying with said the
airlines are calling back furloughed pilots, hiring new ones, and
started to get nervous about an upcoming pilot shortage. You can't
get to the airlines without a lot of time and the best way to build
time short of instruction is to own and fly your own airplane.

It's the general public we have to worry about, who believes that
aviation serves an elite few.

As you observe, flying for fun already involves red tape and expense that
effectively reserves it to a very highly motivated and/or wealthy elite.


Truth. However, as an instructor I find that a high degree of
motivation is characteristic of anybody who can afford to fly, and
I've discovered that the "wealthy elite" are most often self-made
entrepreneurs and businessmen with a prodigious work ethic. Not
necessarily great pilots, but, if you spend a half hour with *most* of
them you come to understand how they've earned what they
have. ...financial/investment manager types, not so much.

I left my sysadmin career to live in near-poverty as a CFI (haven't
looked back) and have found my view of the average "rich person" to be
far less cynical than before. I definitely prefer the "very highly
motivated" to the trustafarian "wealthy elite" although the latter are
the best cash cow because if daddy or the taxpayers are paying for
flight school, they take forever to finish whereas if they're paying
their own way, they're done in half the time.

Gloomy economic times for general aviation, to be sure, and the
increased regulations, FCC nonsense and red tape certainly don't help.
The person who died nearby in his experimental recently went through
at least two instructors here who wouldn't sign his flight review, so,
he wasn't flying legally. Regulation didn't accomplish anything.

-chris
CFI


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Old July 28th 10, 10:01 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.owning
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Default FAA final rule: Aircraft registrations now good for only 3 years

In article ,
Alpha Propellerhead wrote:

All commercial pilots started
as private pilots, and private pilots are a revenue source for
instructors, the FAA, mechanics, manufacturers and the rest of the
industry... Oshkosh being the best evidence.


Mostly, even overwehlmingly, but not invariably.

In an earlier incarnation, I worked for IASCO at Napa, CA.

Their main business at the time was ab initio training of JAL pilots. From "what
is an airplane?" to Falcon 20 certification (plus B-727 flight engineer) in one
long slog. The students may have technically been private pilots at one point,
but for all practical purposes they were students from day one through
graduation (at which point they went back to Japan to work as baggage handlers
to ticket agents, etc. until sent back to the U.S. for the flight engineer
training).
 




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