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On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:31:54 +0100, "Paul J. Adam"
wrote: Did he bail early? Alleged, unproven, but even if he did so did lots of other folks, Well, he was transferred to inactive status in October 1973, and formally discharged in November 1974. So what appears to have happened is that he swapped six months of Guard-for-training for a year on inactive reserve. In the normal course of events he would have finished his hitch in May 1974. He served the equivalent of 25 months on active service ("active duty for training") over the course of six and one-half years. As noted, that was a month more than I spent in the army, and I would spit in the eye of anyone, MOH winner included, who told me I didn't serve. Damn straight I did! Bush's service is neither mysterious nor particularly interesting. The first four years were exemplary, the last two perfunctory. Evidently what happened was twofold: a) the war was winding down, and with it the Guard's need for him and his need for the Guard; and b) the Guard was no longer flying the F-102A, and it was worth nobody's time to train him in another aircraft. www.warbirdforum.com/bushf102.htm all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com |
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"WalterM140" wrote in message ... He jumped a 500 person waiting list. There's no issue over whether Bush got preferential treatment. The issue is that he did not fulfil his obligation. He clearly did not. The "big lie" doesn't seem to be working. Now what are you going to do? |
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"WalterM140" wrote in message ... This link shows conclusively that Bush did not earn the requisite 50 points for a year's satisfactory service: http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/g...-73arfspe1.pdf Actually, it doesn't. |
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"WalterM140" wrote in message ... No it's not. The primary source (the document I linked to) cannot be trumped by secondary sources beholden to Bush or his benefactors. The primary source you linked to is incomplete. It's trumped by primary sources that are complete. Bush did not sucessfully complete his obligatory service. It's been proven that he did. |
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WalterM140 wrote:
It is not at all unusual for an individual to fall short in one year's Guard training and to make it up the following year. That' seems to be what Bush did in his last two years of service. Where is Bush's certificate of Honorable Discharge? I believe I've seen a copy on one posted on the Internet some time ago. The real question is how much influence was exerted by his father the Congressman to get it issued. The answer to that little question seems to be clouded by smoke and mirrors, as our Repug friends are wont to say. Smoke usually coming from fire, I daresay that his Congressional hand is in it somewhere although I doubt that, what with two presidents in the family, the public will ever learn the truth about it. George Z. |
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"George Z. Bush" wrote in message ... WalterM140 wrote: It is not at all unusual for an individual to fall short in one year's Guard training and to make it up the following year. That' seems to be what Bush did in his last two years of service. Where is Bush's certificate of Honorable Discharge? I believe I've seen a copy on one posted on the Internet some time ago. The real question is how much influence was exerted by his father the Congressman to get it issued. The answer to that little question seems to be clouded by smoke and mirrors, as our Repug friends are wont to say. Smoke usually coming from fire, I daresay that his Congressional hand is in it somewhere although I doubt that, what with two presidents in the family, the public will ever learn the truth about it. You really don't know anything about how service is credited in the Guard and Reserves, do you? Why don't you just come out and admit that instead of tossing out unsubstantiated "seems to's", "daresays", and "doubts", which in their sum total value as evidence are about as compelling as the usual National Enquirer or Weekly World News article? Brooks George Z. |
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George wrote:
The odds are that at least 50 or more would have scored higher than the 25th %ile in the aptitude test. He had no special qualifications to fly an F-102, much less than any other jet or other powered aircraft. You don't seriously believe that not one of those five hundred above him on the waiting list wouldn't have given an arm or a leg for the opportunity to get into pilot training. Anybody who thinks that is deluding himself. I doubt that he got any more consideration than the son of the civil service secretary in Group HQ or the son of the SMSgt Maintenace supervisor in the CAM Sqdn or the Airlift Sqdn CO's next door neighbor's son (who mowed the CO's law for 6 years while in grade school and Jr Hi.) He definitely got more consideration than most guys off the street or the goofy kid from the local teacher's college or the local Penecostal preacher's kid. He probably didn't get as much consideration as the All State QB who was going to the same school as the State Adjudant General. "We'll talk about teaching you to fly later son, Hell we'll even make you an officer." oxmoron1 MFE |
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"George Z. Bush" wrote in message ... I believe I've seen a copy on one posted on the Internet some time ago. The real question is how much influence was exerted by his father the Congressman to get it issued. Well, since his father wasn't a Congressman at the time, the answer has to be, "None". |
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