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Perhaps that was my problem -- I didn't consider the lack of planning
(i.e.: Poor radio coverage in the Rantoul area) on Chicago's part to be an emergency on my part. Only you would consider the results of an unannounced descent into poor reception a lack of planning on the part of ATC. I *knew* someone would misinterpret my feeble joke (note the smiley face?) -- but I didn't expect it to be YOU, George! -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:13:52 -0700, "Peter Duniho"
wrote in :: "Larry Dighera" wrote in message .. . [...] There is a long history about the emergence of Usenet anonymity dating from the early '80s. As I recall, it was generally frowned upon. For better or worse, there is a lot of behavior on Usenet that was generally frowned upon historically, but which is now accepted practice. It's only 'accepted practice' if we accept it. Granted, that ever since the 'September that never ended' there has been an influx of less than netiquette aware Usenet participants. But that's no reason to accept their disregard for netiquette. I'm sure, that even you wouldn't condone accepting the posting of spam articles on Usenet just because it occurs. IMHO, the main person anonymity hurts is the person being anonymous. Without a real name, there's less credibility. I would characterize the issue of anonymity as being more about accountability than credibility, although they go hand in hand. I agree that using assumed or partial names is foolish, and perhaps it is even a sign of cowardice. But each person has their own reasons, and I think it's poor policy for other individuals to ignore those reasons, however foolish or cowardly they might be, without good cause (ie there's some very important reason the identity of the person needs to be known). We disagree. I think it's poor policy to permit anonymous Usenet posting. I would even assert that it tends to degrade the signal-to-noise ratio of Usenet. Usenet is inherently anonymous. Virtually all TCP/IP traffic is traceable. I see no good reason to harass (and I use that word carelessly) There was no intent to harass anyone; I posted publicly available information (adequately anonymized), and asked a question. those who choose to extend that anonymity a little bit by choosing to not use a full name to post. We disagree about Usenet anonymity. There's some information about the controversial issue of munging e-mail addresses he http://members.aol.com/emailfaq/mungfaq.html ct: 4. Actions 4a. Why should I mung my address? - It is an effective way to avoid junk email. Junk emailers "harvest" email addresses from Usenet posts. Most address harvesting software used by junk emailers does not discriminate; anything with an '@' sign is considered an address. By changing what appears in the From: and/or Reply-To: headers of Usenet posts, the amount of unsolicited bulk/commercial email (UBE/UCE) received drops considerably. - It is easy to do compared to other methods of avoiding UBE/UCE. - It lowers the percentage of good addresses harvested by the address thieves. 4b. Why should I NOT mung my address? - It breaks the automated 'reply by email' feature found in most newsreaders, forcing people to manually de-mung the address in order to email topical replies to your posts. - If you use the same software for Usenet and email, you will have to change the address regularly, to avoid sending regular email with a munged address. - It violates RFCs, the rules upon which Usenet is built. (It should also be noted that munging does not automatically cause messages to bounce back to junk emailers; if you are considering munging for this reason, you would not accomplish your goal. Also, depending on what and where you post, a junkster *may* take the time to manually de-mung your address, just for spite.) |
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Larry Dighera wrote:
It's only 'accepted practice' if we accept it. Larry, if you are going to continue to post about Usenet anonymity, take it to another newsgroup. This thread has no business in a piloting newsgroup and you, of all people, know better, Mr FAQ-poster. -- Peter ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Peter Duniho wrote:
"Larry Dighera" wrote in message [...] There is a long history about the emergence of Usenet anonymity dating from the early '80s. As I recall, it was generally frowned upon. For better or worse, there is a lot of behavior on Usenet that was generally frowned upon historically, but which is now accepted practice. That's because computers are being sold in grocery stores to people that are using it as incredibly expensive scratch pads and surfing the web. In other words, it's another television. |
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It's only 'accepted practice' if we accept it.
Larry, if you are going to continue to post about Usenet anonymity, take it to another newsgroup. This thread has no business in a piloting newsgroup and you, of all people, know better, Mr FAQ-poster. Well, where, exactly, would you post a topic about Usenet anonymity on the piloting newsgroups if NOT here? As rare as it is, I agree 100% with Larry. Most of the spam, trolling and general B.S. on this group originates from anonymous posters. If anonymity was not allowed, the signal to noise ratio would vastly improve, as posters would actually have to stand up and be counted as people. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Jay Honeck wrote:
Well, where, exactly, would you post a topic about Usenet anonymity on the piloting newsgroups if NOT here? Based on my interpretation of his incessant whining, Larry was discussing Usenet anonymity and the decline of Usenet in general, not its specific impact on this particular group. And, coming from the very man who was on a crusade several months back to stop the OT posting going on here, I find it humorous that Larry continues to post this group's charter, yet rant off topic when it fits his agenda. So, to answer your question, discuss the decline of Usenet he alt.fan.Janeane-Garofalo -- Peter ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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("Jay Honeck" wrote)
As rare as it is, I agree 100% with Larry. Most of the spam, trolling and general B.S. on this group originates from anonymous posters. If anonymity was not allowed, the signal to noise ratio would vastly improve, as posters would actually have to stand up and be counted as people. I disagree 'almost' 100% with Larry (and you) on this issue. Cowards?? Goodness gracious! I worked for years at the Brewery with guys named Red, Whitey, Tex, Butch, Swanee, Bud, Slim, etc. That's how I knew them. In these newsgroups, as long as you can match a moniker to a posting history, that's all that really matters, IMHO. I'm not even buying that signal to noise reasoning since (aside from the occasional outside nonsensical spam) many of the "low" s2n threads around here are propagated by folks using their real names. Montblack |
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I disagree 'almost' 100% with Larry (and you) on this issue. Cowards??
Goodness gracious! I worked for years at the Brewery with guys named Red, Whitey, Tex, Butch, Swanee, Bud, Slim, etc. That's how I knew them. In these newsgroups, as long as you can match a moniker to a posting history, that's all that really matters, IMHO. There are always exceptions, of course. You, Newps, and Maule Driver all come to mind as good, solid Usenet citizens, even though you choose to remain (somewhat) anonymous. Unfortunately, for every example of good, I can name three anonymous evil-doers (I *love* that word!) -- or, worse, guys who appear to be using their real names, but are actually using a real-LOOKING pen name -- who are really nasty, and contribute little to the conversation. Luckily, these aviation groups are the least polluted. Go over to the Ford Mustang group, or any political group, and you'll see how bad it can get. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
#109
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Matt Barrow wrote: Will he know who you are? Yep, he did all the work at the shop. He recently quit and now is the manager at RPX. |
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:vGKue.83556$_o.48584@attbi_s71... It's only 'accepted practice' if we accept it. Larry, if you are going to continue to post about Usenet anonymity, take it to another newsgroup. This thread has no business in a piloting newsgroup and you, of all people, know better, Mr FAQ-poster. Well, where, exactly, would you post a topic about Usenet anonymity on the piloting newsgroups if NOT here? As rare as it is, I agree 100% with Larry. Most of the spam, trolling and general B.S. on this group originates from anonymous posters. If anonymity was not allowed, the signal to noise ratio would vastly improve, as posters would actually have to stand up and be counted as people. In this day of stalkers, identity thieves, etc., anyone who posts all their personal info has got to be nuts. Besides, what damn difference does it make if someone posts under their birth name or as "Joe Blow"? Does it give their arguments one more gram of credibility or one less? Damn it, learn to judge the argument by it's logic and factual basis, not the wrapper it comes in. -- Matt --------------------- Matthew W. Barrow Site-Fill Homes, LLC. Montrose, CO |
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