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Old March 2nd 07, 07:43 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

Don't assume Web = Internet.


I haven't. That's why I said Web, not Internet.

World Wide Web existed 15 years
ago; The Internet has been around for nearly double, if not longer.


So? I didn't say anything about the Internet.

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Old March 2nd 07, 10:53 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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In article .com,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

I'm looking for a better solution, because I want absolute realism.


Get in Atlas. :-/

you can't have absolute realism in a simulation.


I can do that almost anytime.


ah, Jay. By definition, a simulation is not real. And "absolute realism"
requires fidelity in ALL aspects (kind of hard to sim aerobatics).

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Old March 2nd 07, 11:25 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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MXSMANIC Doestn't Fly writes:

It's qualities as a game are far superior to it's qualities
as a simulator.


If that were true, it would have a much larger market. Microsoft would
probably prefer it that way, as all MS wants is money. But it has such a long
heritage as a simulator that it makes a very poor game.

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Old March 2nd 07, 01:09 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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MXSMANIC Knows very Little writes:

Just because you say it's true?


No, because it's objectively so. MS has tried to make the simulator more
game-like in FSX, apparently out of a desire to shift the market from the
loyal but small market of simmers to the much larger (but much more
competitive and volatile) market of gamers. I think that's a bad move, but MS
is increasingly tending towards bad moves these days.

A long history as a ****-poor simulator has nothing to do with it's poor gaming
quality.


It's a very good simulator, but it is a poor game, because it has no objective
or purpose other than to simulate flight.

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Old March 2nd 07, 02:48 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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MXSMANIC lives in a dream world writes:

It's probably pretty good at simulating what you believe real flight may be.


Lots of pilots agree with me. Heck, pilots designed it.

You adamantly refuse to listen when real pilots tell you it is deficient,
yet you whole-heartedly agree when they say it's good.


I've done neither.

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Old March 2nd 07, 02:59 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Get in Atlas. :-/
you can't have absolute realism in a simulation.

I can do that almost anytime.

ah, Jay. By definition, a simulation is not real.


I think he meant he can get in atlas any time.

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Old March 2nd 07, 07:18 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Mar 2, 8:03 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
george writes:
It might be Jay but I was playing with a Bantam B22 (Microlight) back
then and the MSFS lost out.


Twenty years ago. There was no Web twenty years ago; do you deny the
existence of the Web now?


WTF are you on?
I never mentioned the Net or the Web..
Bad example
I was a Co-sysop on Fidonet in 1986 running D'Bridge as Night Caller.
We ran until 1995 when the Net became available here..
You are playing a game
That is nothing like flying

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Old March 2nd 07, 08:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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george writes:

WTF are you on?
I never mentioned the Net or the Web..


I was illustrating the potential irrelevance of things twenty years ago as
compared to today.

You are playing a game
That is nothing like flying


I'm using a simulator; it's a lot like flying. I don't understand why that
upsets you so.

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Old March 2nd 07, 08:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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I think he meant he can get in atlas any time.

Yep.

Boy, I'm having a real clarity issue lately. Must be this weather...

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Old March 2nd 07, 08:47 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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What type of pressure feedback do you need? Aren't real rudder pedals
connected in the same way? (One goes forward when the other goes back.)


Yes, but with far more resistance. Because the resistance is so
light, over-controlling is the norm rather than the exception. This
is true with newbies as well as experienced pilots, so it's not just a
personal preference on my part.

Another problem is that the CH pedals actually "slide" back and forth,
rather than going "into" anything. This is a subtle but quite
different feel.
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