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Can EFIS / EFMS lead to removing basic safety checks?



 
 
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Old September 3rd 06, 06:42 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Sam Spade
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Default Can EFIS / EFMS lead to removing basic safety checks?

Beavis wrote:

In article 005b01c6cf0f$0425e810$4001a8c0@omnibook6100,


Look, these guys *thought* they were on runway 22, obviously. So if
they'd been in a plane with a regular DG, and realigned their DG to a
"runway heading" of 226 degrees while pointing down 26, what's the
difference?


These airplanes don't have DGs that can be set in that manner. In the
accident aircraft it was either flux-gate corrected gyro compasses or
inertial referenced compasses; neither of which are set by the pilots in
a Cessna 172 manner.
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Old September 3rd 06, 06:54 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Beavis[_1_]
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Default Can EFIS / EFMS lead to removing basic safety checks?

In article suEKg.3536$c07.22@fed1read04, Sam Spade
wrote:

Look, these guys *thought* they were on runway 22, obviously. So if
they'd been in a plane with a regular DG, and realigned their DG to a
"runway heading" of 226 degrees while pointing down 26, what's the
difference?


These airplanes don't have DGs that can be set in that manner.


Hence the first clause of my sentence, which said, "So IF THEY'D BEEN IN
A PLANE WITH A REGULAR DG...."
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Old September 3rd 06, 07:36 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Jim Carter[_1_]
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Default Can EFIS / EFMS lead to removing basic safety checks?



-----Original Message-----
From: Beavis ]
Posted At: Sunday, September 03, 2006 12:54 PM
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Conversation: Can EFIS / EFMS lead to removing basic safety checks?
Subject: Can EFIS / EFMS lead to removing basic safety checks?

....

Hence the first clause of my sentence, which said, "So IF THEY'D BEEN

IN
A PLANE WITH A REGULAR DG...."


Why do you have to be in a plane with a regular DG to complete a
checklist item that compares compass heading AND HSI or EFIS heading to
anticipated runway heading?

Wouldn't they have been likely to notice a 40 degree discrepancy if the
item had been on the checklist?

We are concentrating too much on the specifics of the technology instead
of the original question asking if modern technology has allowed us to
skip or eliminate useful checklist items.

There probably is a yes and a no answer to this question. The point is
to think about the possibility and take appropriate actions.


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Old September 3rd 06, 08:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
Sam Spade
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Default Can EFIS / EFMS lead to removing basic safety checks?

Beavis wrote:

In article suEKg.3536$c07.22@fed1read04, Sam Spade
wrote:


Look, these guys *thought* they were on runway 22, obviously. So if
they'd been in a plane with a regular DG, and realigned their DG to a
"runway heading" of 226 degrees while pointing down 26, what's the
difference?


These airplanes don't have DGs that can be set in that manner.



Hence the first clause of my sentence, which said, "So IF THEY'D BEEN IN
A PLANE WITH A REGULAR DG...."


Oh, okay.
 




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