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GNS430W: Parallel offset course feature
On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 17:14:14 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
wrote: "Peter Clark" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 02:32:50 -0700, B wrote: It would be nice to have victor airways in the box.... All the necessary components of Victor airways are in the box. What you want, I presume, is an airway database. I guess you have to go to a G-1000 to get that.;-) I know they are, that's what's so frustrating. And once Piper makes a Malibu or Meridan with a G1000 instaed of the Avidyne panel, I might just trade up..... AviDyne uses the Garmin GPS for it's Nav input, so get the Avidyne, but attach a GPS-480 to it if you REALLY want airways. It would be interesting to see if there's an STC for that installation. I know I can't drop in the 530W units right now because the Meggitt Magic display software update hasn't come out and without it there are required functions missing. From what S-Tec says at least that issue will be fixed early in the new year. |
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GNS430W: Parallel offset course feature
On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 17:11:45 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
wrote: "B" wrote in message ... Peter Clark wrote: On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 08:11:19 -0700, B wrote: It would be nice to have victor airways in the box.... All the necessary components of Victor airways are in the box. What you want, I presume, is an airway database. I guess you have to go to a G-1000 to get that.;-) Airways from a GPS: That's like buying a $1000 stereo and listening to monaural AM radio. :~( Maybe where you're flying. In the northeast (and even entering the northeast, pretty much from PA east from what I've seen) clearances aren't "direct", they're KLOU IIU J78 PSB J49 ALB GDM LOBBY KBED. I'd rather just be able to dial that into the box. Heck, even going from BED to PWM (Hanscom to Portland, ME - 83NM leg whos only airspace issue is the 3000' and 4000' shelf of the Boston bravo ) always gets clearned via the PSM and ENE VORs. |
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GNS430W: Parallel offset course feature
"Peter Clark" wrote in message ... On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 17:11:45 -0700, "Matt Barrow" wrote: "B" wrote in message ... Peter Clark wrote: On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 08:11:19 -0700, B wrote: It would be nice to have victor airways in the box.... All the necessary components of Victor airways are in the box. What you want, I presume, is an airway database. I guess you have to go to a G-1000 to get that.;-) Airways from a GPS: That's like buying a $1000 stereo and listening to monaural AM radio. :~( Maybe where you're flying. In the northeast (and even entering the northeast, pretty much from PA east from what I've seen) clearances aren't "direct", they're KLOU IIU J78 PSB J49 ALB GDM LOBBY KBED. I'd rather just be able to dial that into the box. Heck, even going from BED to PWM (Hanscom to Portland, ME - 83NM leg whos only airspace issue is the 3000' and 4000' shelf of the Boston bravo ) always gets clearned via the PSM and ENE VORs. I guess all I'm essentially asking is, "Can't you just do airways on the VOR?" like they always did? |
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GNS430W: Parallel offset course feature
On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 06:27:08 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
wrote: I guess all I'm essentially asking is, "Can't you just do airways on the VOR?" like they always did? Can't we use NDB and A-N ranges like they used to? Sure, you can use NAV1 and fly VOR and flip-flops to identify intersections, but when there should be a perfectly good way to do it with the automation available there's no reason to do it the hard way. It's a trivial amount of additional code for the 430/530 series - the G1000 is basically a headless 430. It's Garmin's "nobody does airways" attitude that's preventing it. |
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GNS430W: Parallel offset course feature
"Matt Barrow" wrote:
"Peter Clark" wrote in message ... On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 17:11:45 -0700, "Matt Barrow" wrote: "B" wrote in message Airways from a GPS: That's like buying a $1000 stereo and listening to monaural AM radio. :~( Maybe where you're flying. In the northeast (and even entering the northeast, pretty much from PA east from what I've seen) clearances aren't "direct", they're KLOU IIU J78 PSB J49 ALB GDM LOBBY KBED. I'd rather just be able to dial that into the box. Heck, even going from BED to PWM (Hanscom to Portland, ME - 83NM leg whos only airspace issue is the 3000' and 4000' shelf of the Boston bravo ) always gets clearned via the PSM and ENE VORs. That's true here in the Southwest as well. With all the restricted areas, MOA's, and high MEA's, if you want to go IFR, you're going to be on the airways. I guess all I'm essentially asking is, "Can't you just do airways on the VOR?" like they always did? Given that you have to fly the airway, it's much easier to call it up out of the database and have the GPS automatically insert all the course changes and intersections. Without the database, you're forced to get out the chart and find all the significant waypoints where a course change occurs, and put them in manually, or else fly the VOR raw data as you said. Either one is a lot of work by comparison. Mike |
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GNS430W: Parallel offset course feature
Mike Adams wrote:
Given that you have to fly the airway, it's much easier to call it up out of the database and have the GPS automatically insert all the course changes and intersections. Without the database, you're forced to get out the chart and find all the significant waypoints where a course change occurs, and put them in manually, or else fly the VOR raw data as you said. Either one is a lot of work by comparison. Mike Anyone who flies IFR without the chart out isn't in complete command of the flight in any case |
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GNS430W: Parallel offset course feature
B wrote:
Mike Adams wrote: Given that you have to fly the airway, it's much easier to call it up out of the database and have the GPS automatically insert all the course changes and intersections. Without the database, you're forced to get out the chart and find all the significant waypoints where a course change occurs, and put them in manually, or else fly the VOR raw data as you said. Either one is a lot of work by comparison. Mike Anyone who flies IFR without the chart out isn't in complete command of the flight in any case I don't disagree, but it's still easier to get the route into the box if the airways are in the database, rather than just the navaids and intersections as waypoints. Mike |
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GNS430W: Parallel offset course feature
In article ,
Mike Adams wrote: B wrote: Mike Adams wrote: Given that you have to fly the airway, it's much easier to call it up out of the database and have the GPS automatically insert all the course changes and intersections. Without the database, you're forced to get out the chart and find all the significant waypoints where a course change occurs, and put them in manually, or else fly the VOR raw data as you said. Either one is a lot of work by comparison. Mike Anyone who flies IFR without the chart out isn't in complete command of the flight in any case I don't disagree, but it's still easier to get the route into the box if the airways are in the database, rather than just the navaids and intersections as waypoints. Mike Of course, this whole thing is complete stupidity. For the most part (at least around here), there's just a small set of canned routes that you always get. They should just tell you "GPS route 347", that should already be in the Jepp database, and off you go. Yeah, I know, it's starting to happen, but it's amazing how long it takes for the most obvious things to get rolled out in aviation. |
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GNS430W: Parallel offset course feature
In article ,
Roy Smith wrote: In article , Mike Adams wrote: B wrote: Mike Adams wrote: Given that you have to fly the airway, it's much easier to call it up out of the database and have the GPS automatically insert all the course changes and intersections. Without the database, you're forced to get out the chart and find all the significant waypoints where a course change occurs, and put them in manually, or else fly the VOR raw data as you said. Either one is a lot of work by comparison. Mike Anyone who flies IFR without the chart out isn't in complete command of the flight in any case I don't disagree, but it's still easier to get the route into the box if the airways are in the database, rather than just the navaids and intersections as waypoints. Mike Of course, this whole thing is complete stupidity. For the most part (at least around here), there's just a small set of canned routes that you always get. They should just tell you "GPS route 347", that should already be in the Jepp database, and off you go. Yeah, I know, it's starting to happen, but it's amazing how long it takes for the most obvious things to get rolled out in aviation. Indeed, canned route ID's like that would be a Really Good Idea. Around here (the SF Bay Area) a lot of the routes for GA seem to be absolutely standardised -- it almost never matters what you file (and I've tried a few odd variants to see what happens...), you'll get the unpublished canned route, some of which I can recite off the top of my head regardless of how complicated they are, and all of which are repeated in their full glory on crowded clearance or center frequencies. "Hayward San Luis 56 Alpha" or something would be a lot clearer than the "fly runway heading, passing through 400' left turn heading 160, radar vectors ALTAM, V244, Manteca VOR, V113, Paso Robles VOR, direct" I get each time I do Hayward / San Luis Obispo. And a lot easier to program on the GPS if they're integrated into the GPS workflow and databases. (I think what most irritates me is the fact that these routes are never published anywhere official). And I'm also unclear why there aren't more canned DP's -- I regularly fly out of Hayward (KHWD) where every departure clearance I've ever received has started with "runway heading, passing 400' left turn heading 160, radar vectors for [SJC, OAK, ALTAM], ...", always spelled out in full. Why not just publish a SID? "Cleared San Luis Obispo airport via the HAYWD 2 departure, San Jose transition, ...". It's not like Hayward is a podunk airport in the middle of nowhere -- it's in a hugely busy airspace. Oh well. I'll shut up now :-). Hamish |
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GNS430W: Parallel offset course feature
"Peter Clark" wrote in message ... On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 06:27:08 -0700, "Matt Barrow" wrote: I guess all I'm essentially asking is, "Can't you just do airways on the VOR?" like they always did? Can't we use NDB and A-N ranges like they used to? Not for airways, and the topic is AIRWAYS. Sure, you can use NAV1 and fly VOR and flip-flops to identify intersections, but when there should be a perfectly good way to do it with the automation available there's no reason to do it the hard way. Using your previous analogy, why not add ADF/DNB navigiation to GPS as well? Sure, they're dying; so, too, will airways. Why add functionality to a GPS that will be obsolete soon enough? Expecially when, as you put it, you can use NAV1 and flip-flops? That's already in most GPS systems with built in COM/NAVs. It's a trivial amount of additional code for the 430/530 series - the G1000 is basically a headless 430. It's Garmin's "nobody does airways" attitude that's preventing it. I notice that (most? All?) the other GPS manufacturers aren't adding airways either. |
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