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Old June 28th 17, 01:21 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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So this is a bit of a strange story.
Up for sale last week on Ebay was this old lady:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Standard-Lib...QCZ X&vxp=mtr

And less than a week later, without even changing pictures or giving it a clean comes this:

http://wingsandwheels.com/classifieds

Currently still page 1

Who is Brian Hutchinson, and is he really serious?
Having owned 4 Libelle until now I have a rough idea what they are like, and this one might just need a little more TLC than he thought.
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Old June 28th 17, 02:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Sorry, here is the unique link

http://wingsandwheels.com/class/classified.php?id=2294



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Old June 29th 17, 05:03 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Ross,

I'm not sure if he realizes just how close the glider community is..

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Old July 1st 17, 07:26 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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I don't think he does. I brought this up in the Vintage and Classic Facebook page, as the eBay listing had been discussed at length. Sold on eBay for $5200, in PA, now offered as a "bargain" for $8000 by a gent in CA. There was a Hutchinson family in soaring in CA, but no mention of a Brian Hutchinson in the SSA Membership listing.

OK, so I go to the FAA Airman's Certificate Database. No Brian Hutchinson with any airman's certificates listed in CA. There are 28 Hutchinsons in CA in the Airman's Certificate Database, but none seem to matchup.

I was kind of wondering how long it would take for this to show up on RAS. I spotted it the day it hit W&W. And the guy even did a crappy job of lifting pictures from the eBay listing! I think making $2800 by writing a check and sending it overnight is a bit much. I am considering offering my max bid from when it was on eBay and see what response I get. Or maybe let him start paying storage, then have to get it hauled across the US via someone on U-Ship...

In case you wondered, he won the auction with a last second, e-snipe bid of $5200.

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Old July 1st 17, 09:22 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Is 8k a bad deal for a Libelle with no logs? I don't know what all the ADs add up to (assuming they haven't been done) but what the heck, it could be a good value?
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Old July 1st 17, 09:52 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Saturday, July 1, 2017 at 2:22:37 PM UTC-6, wrote:
Is 8k a bad deal for a Libelle with no logs? I don't know what all the ADs add up to (assuming they haven't been done) but what the heck, it could be a good value?


Well, nobody else bid over $5200. That should be Hint One. I stopped before that. Maybe Hint Two? I know of two Tech Notes that will cost you roughly $500 in parts and about three hours in labor to do that I am sure are not current. I think there are probably others. Then, there will be the time to get a replacement airworthiness certificate. Trailer work. Glider work. Tires. Tubes. Radio.

There have been many in flying condition, with complete records, asking $12K that have sat for a while. Those currently listed, asking $17K and up will likely sit for even longer.

If the trailer works OK, and the gel is just yellowed and not crazed, it might be worth $8K to somebody. But, not to me.

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Old July 1st 17, 10:13 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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I bought a flyable libelle a few years back complete with cobra trailer for $12,000 so the way I see it $8000 is excessive for what it is in the state it is in
Saying that, if you can do all the work yourself and want it as a project and don't care about money then sure, why not

I offered him less than $5200 for it. Had a reply but nothing that told me he knew anything about gliders
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Old July 1st 17, 10:19 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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At 21:13 01 July 2017, Ross wrote:
I bought a flyable libelle a few years back complete with cobra trailer

for$12,000 so the way I see it $8000 is excessive for what it is in the
stateit is in
Saying that, if you can do all the work yourself and want it as a

project and don't care about money then sure, why not
I offered him less than $5200 for it. Had a reply but nothing that told

mehe knew anything about gliders

First, we need to see a picture of the Data Plate showing the Serial No

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Old July 2nd 17, 12:56 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Sat, 01 Jul 2017 14:13:00 -0700, Ross wrote:

I bought a flyable libelle a few years back complete with cobra trailer
for $12,000 so the way I see it $8000 is excessive for what it is in the
state it is in Saying that, if you can do all the work yourself and want
it as a project and don't care about money then sure, why not

I offered him less than $5200 for it. Had a reply but nothing that told
me he knew anything about gliders


I've had mine 11 years now, For some years their price seemed to stay
fairly constant but I see they're going up now: the going price in
Germany for an airworthy H.201 with trailer, FLARM and modern instruments
seems to be 17-18 K Euros.


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Old July 2nd 17, 01:43 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Steve Leonard[_2_]
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On Saturday, July 1, 2017 at 6:00:16 PM UTC-6, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Sat, 01 Jul 2017 14:13:00 -0700, Ross wrote:

I bought a flyable libelle a few years back complete with cobra trailer
for $12,000 so the way I see it $8000 is excessive for what it is in the
state it is in Saying that, if you can do all the work yourself and want
it as a project and don't care about money then sure, why not

I offered him less than $5200 for it. Had a reply but nothing that told
me he knew anything about gliders


I've had mine 11 years now, For some years their price seemed to stay
fairly constant but I see they're going up now: the going price in
Germany for an airworthy H.201 with trailer, FLARM and modern instruments
seems to be 17-18 K Euros.


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Well, Martin, those have Cobra trailers, Streifeneder wing root fairings and winglets. Along with a good, one color, bright white finish. This one has none of these things.

Steve Leonard
 




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